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Posted by xenonman
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Check them out at fetlife.com
Posted by Joe McCarthy
- Feb 24, 2017, 06:55 AMya lost me on that one, whats fetlife?
Posted by xenonman
- Feb 24, 2017, 04:32 AMJoe,
You'll have to go over to the Fetlife site and provide further details and photos!
You'll have to go over to the Fetlife site and provide further details and photos!
Posted by Joe McCarthy
- Feb 24, 2017, 03:47 AMQuote from: xenonman on Feb 21, 2017, 01:05 PMQuote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 27, 2013, 12:28 AMI do have a little bone to pick with you though. There are numerous references to "beating the polygraph". To me, that implies making lies appear to be the truth. I don't think that is the goal of this site. After reading most of the site, it appears to me that the real goal of this site is 1) to abolish the use of the polygraph, and 2) insure that truthful answers are interpreted as such. I haven't read anything on this site that would be effective in making a lie appear to be the truth. And if I might add, rightly so.
Yes, your assessment of the mission of this forum is absolutely correct.
One can not "beat" the polygraph, anymore than one can "beat" the ducking stool, the hot coals, the "Iron Maiden", or the stretching rack!
You make the stretching rack sound like a bad thing. Used correctly, it can be hours of fun.
Sorry, I saw a sarcastic moment and had to take it
Posted by xenonman
- Feb 21, 2017, 01:14 PMQuote from: Arkhangelsk on Jan 28, 2013, 02:01 PMQuote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 26, 2013, 10:27 AMMy attorney found a guy that had a bachelor of science degree in psychology and polygraphyI don't think there are any 4 year degrees in Polygraphy.
No more than there are 4-year degrees in astrology, divining, or "map dowsing".
Posted by xenonman
- Feb 21, 2017, 01:05 PMQuote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 27, 2013, 12:28 AMI do have a little bone to pick with you though. There are numerous references to "beating the polygraph". To me, that implies making lies appear to be the truth. I don't think that is the goal of this site. After reading most of the site, it appears to me that the real goal of this site is 1) to abolish the use of the polygraph, and 2) insure that truthful answers are interpreted as such. I haven't read anything on this site that would be effective in making a lie appear to be the truth. And if I might add, rightly so.
Yes, your assessment of the mission of this forum is absolutely correct.
One can not "beat" the polygraph, anymore than one can "beat" the ducking stool, the hot coals, the "Iron Maiden", or the stretching rack!
Posted by pklien
- Feb 18, 2017, 10:41 AMQuote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 27, 2013, 12:28 AM
I do have a little bone to pick with you though. There are numerous references to "beating the polygraph". To me, that implies making lies appear to be the truth. I don't think that is the goal of this site. After reading most of the site, it appears to me that the real goal of this site is 1) to abolish the use of the polygraph, and 2) insure that truthful answers are interpreted as such. I haven't read anything on this site that would be effective in making a lie appear to be the truth. And if I might add, rightly so.
Long-time lurker and I agree with you. I have not found any useful coherent information on how to get a favorable polygraph result. The board comes across as spam. They have all these "simple" methods to beat the test, but those methods are complex. So if you failed one using the suggested "simple" methods, then it's because you did not use the "simple" methods.
From what I read, I just don't know why you can't answer your own questions when given a question by an administrator. For example, if you are asked if you stole money, then you say to yourself "I am not answering that question. But I will answer if I killed JFK" and state "no."
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Posted by Ex Member
- Feb 02, 2013, 06:54 PMQuote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 28, 2013, 11:20 PMThe point I'm trying to make has nothing to do with the science or lack thereof behind the polygraph.Nor has it anything to do with whether truth or lies can be divined.It's about not using the phrase "beat the polygraph", because that, to me, infers a dishonest answer can be made to look like the truth on a polygraph test.It goes hand in hand with the phrase "beat the rap".You cannot split them apart. How can a dishonest answer be made to look like the truth, when the truth cannot be divined? Countermeasures only serve to elevate responses on control questions, nothing more. Fooling the fooler has nothing to do with lies or truth.
Posted by Doug Williams
- Jan 30, 2013, 01:30 PMThe fact of the matter is; I do teach truthful people how to pass (because just telling the truth doesn't work), AND I also teach liars how to pass, (because that is just one more weapon I use against the polygraph thugs). By doing this, I have proved the polygraph is worthless. I can teach anyone how to pass NERVOUS OR NOT, LYING OR NOT, NO MATTER WHAT - that makes the people who rely on the results of the polygraph fools, and it makes polygraph operators paranoid.
Doug Williams
www.polygraph.com
405-226-4856
doug@polygraph.com
If you want to know more about what I have done and continue to do to prevent people from being victimized by the so-called "lie detector", and to make polygraph operators as miserable as possible by exposing their insidious "Frankenstein's Monster", email me and I'll send you a free PDF copy of my new book "FROM COP TO CRUSADER: THE STORY OF MY FIGHT AGAINST THE DANGEROUS MYTH OF 'LIE DETECTION'!"
Doug Williams
www.polygraph.com
405-226-4856
doug@polygraph.com
If you want to know more about what I have done and continue to do to prevent people from being victimized by the so-called "lie detector", and to make polygraph operators as miserable as possible by exposing their insidious "Frankenstein's Monster", email me and I'll send you a free PDF copy of my new book "FROM COP TO CRUSADER: THE STORY OF MY FIGHT AGAINST THE DANGEROUS MYTH OF 'LIE DETECTION'!"
Posted by Confused 2
- Jan 28, 2013, 11:20 PMQuote from: Arkhangelsk on Jan 28, 2013, 02:21 PMQuote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 27, 2013, 12:28 AMI haven't read anything on this site that would be effective in making a lie appear to be the truth.That is not possible, because truth or lies cannot be divined. Polygraphy only infers it based upon relative psychophysiological responses. This inference is based on conjecture, not science.
The point I'm trying to make has nothing to do with the science or lack thereof behind the polygraph. Nor has it anything to do with whether truth or lies can be divined. It's about not using the phrase "beat the polygraph", because that, to me, infers a dishonest answer can be made to look like the truth on a polygraph test. It goes hand in hand with the phrase "beat the rap".
The fact of the matter is that prior to trial our justice system gives credence to the polygraph through our D.A.'s. A person accused of a crime can get the D.A. to not prosecute the case, to advise a Grand Jury to no-bill the case, and to dismiss a case, if that person passes a polygraph from a polygrapher the D.A. believes in.
Which brings up another question, namely if the goal is to find the truth and they all use the same equipment, what's the difference between a polygrapher with law enforcement experience as compared to one without? Why does that make any difference if the polygraph is based on scientific fact and is as accurate as every polygrapher says they are? If they both claim 95-99% accuracy why does the D.A. require a polygrapher with former law enforcement experience?
The results of a polygraph cannot typically be presented in a trial, but they can be presented to a D.A. in an attempt to get him to drop the case. This can be done right up until the jury returns a verdict.
Most people who have been charged with a crime and are guilty would love to find a way to "beat" the polygraph with some kind of countermeasure that will magically make their lies appear to be the truth on the polygraph. This is what I think of as "beating the polygraph", i.e. answering a relevant question on a polygraph with a lie and then trying to use a countermeasure to make the lie appear to not be a lie. I don't believe that is a goal of this site, and I appreciate that.
I do believe one of the goals of this site is to give people countermeasures that will cause the truth of their answers to be emphasized so the possibility of errors will be reduced.
Posted by Confused 2
- Jan 28, 2013, 08:50 PMQuote from: Arkhangelsk on Jan 28, 2013, 02:01 PMQuote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 26, 2013, 10:27 AMMy attorney found a guy that had a bachelor of science degree in psychology and polygraphyI don't think there are any 4 year degrees in Polygraphy.
I think you're correct. I didn't do a very good job of writing that. He has a degree in psychology and completed a course of study in polygraphy from the mentioned university.
Posted by Ex Member
- Jan 28, 2013, 02:21 PMQuote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 27, 2013, 12:28 AMI haven't read anything on this site that would be effective in making a lie appear to be the truth.That is not possible, because truth or lies cannot be divined. Polygraphy only infers it based upon relative psychophysiological responses. This inference is based on conjecture, not science.
Posted by Ex Member
- Jan 28, 2013, 02:01 PMQuote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 26, 2013, 10:27 AMMy attorney found a guy that had a bachelor of science degree in psychology and polygraphyI don't think there are any 4 year degrees in Polygraphy.
Posted by pixkbi
- Jan 27, 2013, 10:08 AMi would file a complaint with the Texas Board and seek a refund