Quote from: the_fighting_irish on Feb 24, 2017, 06:55 AMya lost me on that one, whats fetlife?


Quote from: xenonman on Feb 21, 2017, 01:05 PMQuote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 27, 2013, 12:28 AMI do have a little bone to pick with you though. There are numerous references to "beating the polygraph". To me, that implies making lies appear to be the truth. I don't think that is the goal of this site. After reading most of the site, it appears to me that the real goal of this site is 1) to abolish the use of the polygraph, and 2) insure that truthful answers are interpreted as such. I haven't read anything on this site that would be effective in making a lie appear to be the truth. And if I might add, rightly so.
Yes, your assessment of the mission of this forum is absolutely correct.
One can not "beat" the polygraph, anymore than one can "beat" the ducking stool, the hot coals, the "Iron Maiden", or the stretching rack!
Quote from: Arkhangelsk on Jan 28, 2013, 02:01 PMQuote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 26, 2013, 10:27 AMMy attorney found a guy that had a bachelor of science degree in psychology and polygraphyI don't think there are any 4 year degrees in Polygraphy.

Quote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 27, 2013, 12:28 AMI do have a little bone to pick with you though. There are numerous references to "beating the polygraph". To me, that implies making lies appear to be the truth. I don't think that is the goal of this site. After reading most of the site, it appears to me that the real goal of this site is 1) to abolish the use of the polygraph, and 2) insure that truthful answers are interpreted as such. I haven't read anything on this site that would be effective in making a lie appear to be the truth. And if I might add, rightly so.

Quote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 27, 2013, 12:28 AM
I do have a little bone to pick with you though. There are numerous references to "beating the polygraph". To me, that implies making lies appear to be the truth. I don't think that is the goal of this site. After reading most of the site, it appears to me that the real goal of this site is 1) to abolish the use of the polygraph, and 2) insure that truthful answers are interpreted as such. I haven't read anything on this site that would be effective in making a lie appear to be the truth. And if I might add, rightly so.
Quote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 28, 2013, 11:20 PMThe point I'm trying to make has nothing to do with the science or lack thereof behind the polygraph.Nor has it anything to do with whether truth or lies can be divined.It's about not using the phrase "beat the polygraph", because that, to me, infers a dishonest answer can be made to look like the truth on a polygraph test.It goes hand in hand with the phrase "beat the rap".You cannot split them apart. How can a dishonest answer be made to look like the truth, when the truth cannot be divined? Countermeasures only serve to elevate responses on control questions, nothing more. Fooling the fooler has nothing to do with lies or truth.
Quote from: Arkhangelsk on Jan 28, 2013, 02:21 PMQuote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 27, 2013, 12:28 AMI haven't read anything on this site that would be effective in making a lie appear to be the truth.That is not possible, because truth or lies cannot be divined. Polygraphy only infers it based upon relative psychophysiological responses. This inference is based on conjecture, not science.
Quote from: Arkhangelsk on Jan 28, 2013, 02:01 PMQuote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 26, 2013, 10:27 AMMy attorney found a guy that had a bachelor of science degree in psychology and polygraphyI don't think there are any 4 year degrees in Polygraphy.
Quote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 27, 2013, 12:28 AMI haven't read anything on this site that would be effective in making a lie appear to be the truth.That is not possible, because truth or lies cannot be divined. Polygraphy only infers it based upon relative psychophysiological responses. This inference is based on conjecture, not science.
Quote from: mikeyc1945 on Jan 26, 2013, 10:27 AMMy attorney found a guy that had a bachelor of science degree in psychology and polygraphyI don't think there are any 4 year degrees in Polygraphy.