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Posted by Chuckles
 - Jun 11, 2011, 05:20 AM
Thanks for shedding light on how the directed lie questions are intended to work Stefano, I had never heard their reasoning.
Posted by stefano
 - Jun 10, 2011, 02:28 PM
Quote from: Chuckles on Jun 10, 2011, 04:21 AMI can't understand how direct lie control questions could ever be of any use at all, because if he and I have come to an understanding that I am going to lie, then it's not really a lie and a trusting person might not feel one bit anxious/threatened when answering such a question. 
Chuckles,
I've actually discussed this with the scientist involved in development of the Directed Lie CQT. Whereas the Probable Lie CQ's are based on the notion of a threat to the subject's well being, the Direct Lie CQ's are based upon a concept of the "mental work" required to process the question.
Posted by Chuckles
 - Jun 10, 2011, 04:21 AM
But don't forget about the directed lie type of control question, when the examiner instructs the subject to lie, "in order to see what you look like when you are lying." Those are nice, because they make the control questions easy to identify for those of us who employ countermeasures.

I can't understand how direct lie control questions could ever be of any use at all, because if he and I have come to an understanding that I am going to lie, then it's not really a lie and a trusting person might not feel one bit anxious/threatened when answering such a question.
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Jun 07, 2011, 02:49 PM
Quote from: overlord71 on Jun 07, 2011, 09:51 AMSo when you answer a control question does it matter if you answer yes or no even if you augment the response with countermeasures? Since they expect you to have told a lie at some point in your life is making that admission as "yes" going to count against you even if augmented?

As discussed at pp. 98-99 of the 4th edition of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, if the control question is one to which a "no" answer is expected and the examinee makes admissions, the control question will be rephrased as, "Other than what you told me, did you ever...?" so that the examinee can give the expected answer, "no."
Posted by darkferret
 - Jun 07, 2011, 09:51 AM
So when you answer a control question does it matter if you answer yes or no even if you augment the response with countermeasures? Since they expect you to have told a lie at some point in your life is making that admission as "yes" going to count against you even if augmented?
Posted by stefano
 - Apr 28, 2011, 11:47 PM
Quote from: Chuckles on Apr 28, 2011, 10:17 PMThe doubt that rises up in your mind when you think that surely there must have been a lie that you forgot to mention will register a response with the equipment. When you augment your response to control questions you make it look like you naturally have a big response to stressful questions. 
Chuckles, you have some good insight. Let me help a bit. The polygraph technique incorporates a concept that the "innocent" examinee's "psychological set" is affixed to the control questions and are thus perceived as being more of a threat to his well being; the supposition is that it's just the opposite with the "guilty" examinee.
Posted by Chuckles
 - Apr 28, 2011, 10:17 PM
QuoteWhen breathing between two to four seconds should a breath be counted from the time of inhale to when you start exhaling, or should you only count it after you have fully exhaled?

It's 2-4 seconds from the beginning of one in-out cycle to the beginning of the next in-out cycle. In my case it was a little shallower and slightly more rapidly than my usual breaths.

QuoteMy second is how to address the question "Other than what you have told me have you ever lie"?  I am under the impression that it's an easy way to have someone make an admission, or is it simply a control question depending on if the examiner likes you?

That is a control question. You know it's a control question when it isn't asking about anything important and even if you admitted to doing what they are asking about you would not be penalized. They are meant to be ambiguous and hard to answer. The doubt that rises up in your mind when you think that surely there must have been a lie that you forgot to mention will register a response with the equipment. When you augment your response to control questions you make it look like you naturally have a big response to stressful questions. This will make any response you have to relevant questions seem insignificant in comparison.

QuoteIs downloading songs and movies a dis-qualifier?

Downloading songs is technically illegal, so maybe, depending on who is polygraphing you, but in most cases I don't think it would be important enough to penalize you. The worst thing you could do would be to go into the test and then when you are halfway through it (or after it) break down and admit to it. It would be much better to just admit it up front or not admit it at all. Either way you should pass the polygraph exam if you follow the instructions in "The Lie Behind The Lie Detector."

QuoteWould something written by Bill O'Reilly be acceptable?

I would stick to less political material, on the off chance that your polygraph examiner knows who Bill O'Reilly is and thinks he is an obnoxious windbag. Don't want to get off on the wrong foot.
Posted by playstation777
 - Apr 28, 2011, 01:44 PM
I have been reading "The Lie Behind The Lie Detector" but I have a few questions that I would like some clarification on.  My first question is that when breathing between two to four seconds should a breath be counted from the time of inhale to when you start exhaling, or should you only count it after you have fully exhaled?  My second is how to address the question "Other than what you have told me have you ever lie"?  I am under the impression that it's an easy way to have someone make an admission, or is it simply a control question depending on if the examiner likes you?  My third question is regarding if downloading songs and movies is a dis-qualifier?  Or does it depend on how many and if you sold anything for profit?  I was also wondering for reading material would something written by Bill O'Reilly be acceptable?  I would appreciate any feedback.  Thank you.