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Posted by stefano
- Apr 19, 2011, 08:23 PMQuote from: playstation777 on Apr 19, 2011, 04:09 PMI had a few things that I would like to clarify myself.I was wondering what the proper response would be to the "Other than what you told me, have you ever lied?" question.Also I was wondering when breathing should I count the seconds when I start to inhale and exhale?Or count the number of seconds from the time I inhale until I fully exhale?This sounds like the intro to a control question to which countermeasures should be applied. From your question regarding breathing, it sounds to me like you need to read The Lie Behind the Lie Detector before attempting any countermeasures.
Posted by playstation777
- Apr 19, 2011, 04:09 PMI had a few things that I would like to clarify myself. I was wondering what the proper response would be to the "Other than what you told me, have you ever lied?" question. Also I was wondering when breathing should I count the seconds when I start to inhale and exhale? Or count the number of seconds from the time I inhale until I fully exhale? I would like to know if downloading copyright music is a big deal? Or if agencies are only concerned if you are bootlegging the material? Finally I was thinking for reading material to the interrogation if I should bring something published by Bill O'reilly?
Thank you for your time.
Thank you for your time.
Posted by makingsure
- Mar 10, 2011, 01:26 AMThanks for the clarification. Great site by the way!
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Mar 10, 2011, 12:50 AMQuote from: makingsure on Mar 09, 2011, 06:21 PMFrom my understanding, after reading the LBTLD a number of times, is that during the a "control" question like "Have you ever lied to a loved one?". I would respond with "yes" and not use any CM's. And after some minor admissions when asked "Other than what you told me, have you ever lied to a loved one?". The expected answer would be "no", so I would respond "no" and this is where I would apply mental countermeasures to create a higher response.
Am I understanding this correctly?
No. You are not understanding this correctly. All questions are reviewed during the pre-test phase when you're not connected to the polygraph instrument. If you choose to make minor admissions to control questions during the pre-test phase, using countermeasures at that time won't be an option because, again, you won't be connected to the polygraph instrument. By the time the "in-test" phase begins, "control" questions should already be agreed upon that exclude any admissions you may have made.
Review Chapter 3, which covers polygraph procedure.
QuoteAlso I was bit confused...
On page 146 it says:
"As soon as you recognize that the question your polygrapher is asking is a "control" question, or, alternatively, immediately after answering the question, change your baseline breathing pattern to produce one of the five pneumograph reactions that DoDPI considers to be most significant in chart scoring"
One of these DoDPI reactions are (pg 147):
"The second reaction, a respiration rate decrease, may be produced by simply breathing more slowly for 5-15 seconds, ending before the asking of the next question"
However, on pg. 149 it mentions using a mental countermeasure like thinking of exciting thoughts, (e.g., falling off a cliff, an encounter with a rattlesnake, being raped at knifepoint—use your imagination). You want to think of something that will make your heart race and cause an increase in blood pressure... A breathing reaction may naturally accompany such mental activity without your having to think about it.
Would this not increase your breathing rate? It says to lower it as a counter measure for control questions???
Some clarification would be most helpful.
Slower breathing is only one of the five scorable breathing reactions. In any event, a common breathing reaction associated with mental countermeasures is blocking.
Posted by stefano
- Mar 09, 2011, 10:17 PMCountermeasures should be applied to all control question answers. You are reading too much into the breathing part. Just keep a steady normal/natural breathing pattern throughout and focus on mental countermeasures after answering the control questions. Keep your strategy simple and don't bog it down with minutia.
Posted by makingsure
- Mar 09, 2011, 06:21 PMFrom my understanding, after reading the LBTLD a number of times, is that during the a "control" question like "Have you ever lied to a loved one?". I would respond with "yes" and not use any CM's. And after some minor admissions when asked "Other than what you told me, have you ever lied to a loved one?". The expected answer would be "no", so I would respond "no" and this is where I would apply mental countermeasures to create a higher response.
Am I understanding this correctly?
Also I was bit confused...
On page 146 it says:
"As soon as you recognize that the question your polygrapher is asking is a "control" question, or, alternatively, immediately after answering the question, change your baseline breathing pattern to produce one of the five pneumograph reactions that DoDPI considers to be most significant in chart scoring"
One of these DoDPI reactions are (pg 147):
"The second reaction, a respiration rate decrease, may be produced by simply breathing more slowly for 5-15 seconds, ending before the asking of the next question"
However, on pg. 149 it mentions using a mental countermeasure like thinking of exciting thoughts, (e.g., falling off a cliff, an encounter with a rattlesnake, being raped at knifepoint—use your imagination). You want to think of something that will make your heart race and cause an increase in blood pressure... A breathing reaction may naturally accompany such mental activity without your having to think about it.
Would this not increase your breathing rate? It says to lower it as a counter measure for control questions???
Some clarification would be most helpful.
Am I understanding this correctly?
Also I was bit confused...
On page 146 it says:
"As soon as you recognize that the question your polygrapher is asking is a "control" question, or, alternatively, immediately after answering the question, change your baseline breathing pattern to produce one of the five pneumograph reactions that DoDPI considers to be most significant in chart scoring"
One of these DoDPI reactions are (pg 147):
"The second reaction, a respiration rate decrease, may be produced by simply breathing more slowly for 5-15 seconds, ending before the asking of the next question"
However, on pg. 149 it mentions using a mental countermeasure like thinking of exciting thoughts, (e.g., falling off a cliff, an encounter with a rattlesnake, being raped at knifepoint—use your imagination). You want to think of something that will make your heart race and cause an increase in blood pressure... A breathing reaction may naturally accompany such mental activity without your having to think about it.
Would this not increase your breathing rate? It says to lower it as a counter measure for control questions???
Some clarification would be most helpful.