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Posted by T.M. Cullen
- Sep 04, 2009, 08:49 PMQuoteShould I retake the FBI's and try to clear my name before my next one?
Rarely, if ever, does the FBI pass applicants on a retest.
TC
Posted by T.M. Cullen
- Sep 04, 2009, 08:47 PMSorry, wrong thread.
Posted by NY_FBI_APPLICANT
- Sep 04, 2009, 03:46 PMIn the eyes of other agencies, is it worse to have 2 failed Poly's from the FBI versus only one? I currently work in Intelligence. Am I screwed when it comes time to renew my TS/SCI?
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Sep 04, 2009, 05:00 AMFBI "re-tests" are a sham. Virtually everyone who fails the FBI pre-employment polygraph and is allowed to come back for a second polygraph "fails" that one, too. I think you're better off with just one FBI polygraph failure on your record rather than two. If I were in your shoes, I would dispute the polygrapher's accusation of deception in writing but not to put myself through the indignity of sitting for a "re-test" the result of which is foreordained.
Posted by NY_FBI_APPLICANT
- Sep 04, 2009, 12:48 AMWell, results came in today and I was told I FAILED the Polygraph. I was advised on how to appeal. I am very surprised that I didn't just get an automatic retake since my reasons for D.I. are legitimate. Afterall, I didn't deny the Polygrapher's readings. I only admitted to a mistake I made to an outdated form but corrected during PSI. I don't know what to make of this situation. I am very fed up with this organization and am strongly rethinking if I really want to be a part of it. If their hiring policies are as ill-conceived as they are and rely on trick science, who knows what kind of abuse I would have to live with as an employee. I have a Poly coming up with USSS soon. Should I retake the FBI's and try to clear my name before my next one?
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Sep 01, 2009, 12:44 AMIf you were not directly accused of deception or withholding information, then it's likely that your polygraph charts were at worst scored as "inconclusive." But there's no way of knowing for sure at this point.
PS: I've also sent you a private message.
PS: I've also sent you a private message.
Posted by NY_FBI_APPLICANT
- Sep 01, 2009, 12:27 AMHello, a little bit about myself. I am an applicant for the FBI SA position. I've been in the Army for about 12 years now: 8 Enlisted years and 4 as an Officer.
Prior to Enlisting in the Army, I admit that I have smoked MJ about 25 times in my teenhood. I am not proud of this fact, especially in light of the fact that I am a commissioned Officer. As embarrassing as it is, I revealed my youthful indiscretion during my PSI.
I recently had my FBI poly last week and am confused what the outcome will be. I thought I was telling the complete truth and was caught by surprise at the end when the interviewer told me I was spiking on the "application" and "drugs" question. He said he suspected that the two areas were related ie(lied on application about drug use).
Trying to be as completely honest as I can, I admitted that I made a mistake on a prequestionnaire on the part that says "Have you used MJ in the last 3 years OR more then 15 times in your life?" Without really thinking about usage, I marked "no" real quick and turned it in. After thinking about my total usage and trying to be completely honest, I corrected that form during my PSI interview.
I admitted to the Polygrapher that I made a mistake in filling out that form (even though it doesn't reflect current FBI drug use policy) but have corrected myself. He told me we'd probably have to do the Poly again but maybe HQ would accept my explanation and pass me. He didn't say anything about failing. So while I technically lied on a form, the question was moot to begin with and I also corrected myself.
Was my tester bluffing to get admissions out of me? If yes, is my admission disqualifying even though I've proven that I came forward to correct my mistake? I am confused and the torture is eating at me. :-/
Prior to Enlisting in the Army, I admit that I have smoked MJ about 25 times in my teenhood. I am not proud of this fact, especially in light of the fact that I am a commissioned Officer. As embarrassing as it is, I revealed my youthful indiscretion during my PSI.
I recently had my FBI poly last week and am confused what the outcome will be. I thought I was telling the complete truth and was caught by surprise at the end when the interviewer told me I was spiking on the "application" and "drugs" question. He said he suspected that the two areas were related ie(lied on application about drug use).
Trying to be as completely honest as I can, I admitted that I made a mistake on a prequestionnaire on the part that says "Have you used MJ in the last 3 years OR more then 15 times in your life?" Without really thinking about usage, I marked "no" real quick and turned it in. After thinking about my total usage and trying to be completely honest, I corrected that form during my PSI interview.
I admitted to the Polygrapher that I made a mistake in filling out that form (even though it doesn't reflect current FBI drug use policy) but have corrected myself. He told me we'd probably have to do the Poly again but maybe HQ would accept my explanation and pass me. He didn't say anything about failing. So while I technically lied on a form, the question was moot to begin with and I also corrected myself.
Was my tester bluffing to get admissions out of me? If yes, is my admission disqualifying even though I've proven that I came forward to correct my mistake? I am confused and the torture is eating at me. :-/