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Posted by Indiana73
- Aug 15, 2009, 08:04 AMQuoteyour not alone i just got my letter also there has to be some kind of appeal a person can make ?
If it was for a security clearance, then yes:
EXECUTIVE ORDER #12968
ACCESS TO CLASSIFIED INFORMATION
(a) Applicants and employees who are determined to not meet the standards for access to classified information established in section 3.1 of this order shall be:
(1) provided as comprehensive and detailed a written explanation of the basis for that conclusion as the national security interests of the United States and other applicable law permit;
(2) provided within 30 days, upon request and to the extent the documents would be provided if requested under the Freedom of Information Act (5 U.S.C. 552) or the Privacy Act (3 U.S.C. 552a), as applicable, any documents, records, and reports upon which a denial or revocation is based;
(3) informed of their right to be represented by counsel or other representative at their own expense; to request any documents, records, and reports as described in section 5.2(a)(2) upon which a denial or revocation is based; and to request the entire investigative file, as permitted by the national security and other applicable law, which, if requested, shall be promptly provided prior to the time set for a written reply;
(4) provided a reasonable opportunity to reply in writing to, and to request a review of, the determination;
(5) provided written notice of and reasons for the results of the review, the identity of the deciding authority, and written notice of the right to appeal;
(6) provided an opportunity to appeal in writing to a high level panel, appointed by the agency head, which shall be comprised of at least three members, two of whom shall be selected from outside the security field. Decisions of the panel shall be in writing, and final except as provided in subsection (b) of this section; and
(7) provided an opportunity to appear personally and to present relevant documents, materials, and information at some point in the process before an adjudicative or other authority, other than the investigating entity, as determined by the agency head. A written summary or recording of such appearance shall be made part of the applicant's or employee's security record, unless such appearance occurs in the presence of the appeals panel described in subsection (a)(6) of this section.
You have to do research to determine who is in control of FOIA requests for the specific agency and write a formal request letter. Here is some of mine I submitted after a failed agency poly 3 years ago:
David M. Hardy, Chief
Record/Information Dissemination Section
Records Management Division
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Department of Justice
935 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20535-0001
January 16, 2007
Dear Mr. Hardy,
My name is <snip>. On <snip>, I underwent a polygraph examination at the <snip> Field Office of the FBI as part of my application for the position of <snip>. Subsequently I was denied a security clearance due to a determination of "deception indicated." Pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act, the Privacy Act of 1974 and Executive Order 12968, I am requesting a copy of this report and any other documents, records, and reports upon which my denial was based. I have enclosed a signed copy of DOJ Form 361, Certification of Identity, as required. Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.
Posted by nomopolys4me
- Aug 14, 2009, 08:39 PMRight, so they couldn't decide if you were telling the truth or lying, so you don't get the job. It is such a piece of crap system.
Posted by dfmad1
- Aug 14, 2009, 02:23 PMyour not alone i just got my letter also there has to be some kind of appeal a person can make ?
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Jul 22, 2009, 11:48 PMQuote from: xpj5004 on Jul 21, 2009, 05:10 PMAlso, is it common for the second round of the same question to be asked without you saying an answer, just thinking of one?
This is known as a "Silent Answer Test," and it's sometimes used to catch a polygraph subject off guard when the polygrapher suspects countermeasures may have been used. You'll find it addressed at p. 157 of the 4th edition of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector.
For a fuller description, see:
https://antipolygraph.org/forum/index.php?topic=1352.msg10796#msg10796
Posted by LC213
- Jul 22, 2009, 12:06 PMThat would make no sense to me to think of an answer instead of saying one on so many levels..
Posted by xpj5004
- Jul 21, 2009, 05:10 PMAlso, is it common for the second round of the same question to be asked without you saying an answer, just thinking of one?
Posted by xpj5004
- Jul 21, 2009, 05:06 PMHello all, I just received the "Thanks but no thanks" letter from an agency regarding my future employment. They cited that the results on my poly were inconclusive. During the test, I knew that I was not lying, however I could feel my blood pressure and heart rates rising. The person administering the test even offered my a glass of water because he said that it looked like I was going to pass out. I wasn't lying, and the things that I needed to disclose to him/her, I had already disclosed during the question and answer session right before the test. I felt like a piece of crap after it and felt like the test administrator was attempting to convince me that I was lying. I felt really guilty after the test. After browsing this forum for the past couple days, I realize that I am in the same boat as a lot of the people here.