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Posted by Johnn
- Dec 07, 2007, 11:22 PMi'm sorry, stoppolyabusenow. your name says it all. I came back here after receiving an email from this site, and I'm saddened to see that the abuse continues. Not surprising.
Posted by Sergeant1107
- Dec 07, 2007, 01:24 AMQuote from: stoppolyabusenow on Dec 06, 2007, 04:37 PMThe government thinks the NAS is wrong, so who's right, the polygraph scientists or those who know almost nothing about polygraph? Have you ever looked at the data? The government numbers don't support the NAS's fears. It's a shame that data gets in the way of their errors now isn't it.Another way to look at this is to ask, "Who should you believe?" The detached and neutral National Academy of Sciences, whose members have won more than 170 Nobel Prizes? Or the people who give polygraphs for a living and depend on them for their income?
Posted by Barry_C
- Dec 06, 2007, 04:37 PMQuote
It is high time that our government heeded the National Academy of Sciences' conclusion that "[polygraph testing's] accuracy in distinguishing actual or potential security violators from innocent test takers is insufficient to justify reliance on its use in employee security screening in federal agencies."
The government thinks the NAS is wrong, so who's right, the polygraph scientists or those who know almost nothing about polygraph? Have you ever looked at the data? The government numbers don't support the NAS's fears. It's a shame that data gets in the way of their errors now isn't it.
How many spies have been caught with only a BI? Not a single case has been published. How many have been caught? We only hear from retirees who leak info as the feds keep that a secret, save a few.
Posted by zoneb
- Dec 05, 2007, 10:57 PMWow, here I was thinking I had it bad. All they did was acuse me of using drugs and lying on my application. Sounds like I got off easy. :-/
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Dec 05, 2007, 10:24 PMIndeed, it is not only applicants for employment that are hurt by our government's continue misplaced reliance on polygraph screening. Current employees are also suffering serious career harm because of it, such as occurred in the cases of former FBI special agents Rita Chiang and Mark Mallah.
It is high time that our government heeded the National Academy of Sciences' conclusion that "[polygraph testing's] accuracy in distinguishing actual or potential security violators from innocent test takers is insufficient to justify reliance on its use in employee security screening in federal agencies."
It is high time that our government heeded the National Academy of Sciences' conclusion that "[polygraph testing's] accuracy in distinguishing actual or potential security violators from innocent test takers is insufficient to justify reliance on its use in employee security screening in federal agencies."
Posted by stoppolyabusenow
- Dec 05, 2007, 08:04 PM I think that it is a gross injustice that the federal government is allowed to subject its loyal empolyees to polygraph harrassment and abuse. If the polygraph isn't going well, the session quickly turns into an adversarial interrogation. Then, the loyal emploee, is berated, accused of sexual deviancy and accused of treason. This can go on for hours and hours and the loyal employee, who desperately wants to pass, keeps putting up with the abuse for hours, hoping to convince the polygrapher that he/she is telling the truth.
The fact of the matter is, once they have made up their minds, no amount of talking will change their minds. I was interrogated, berated, accused of treason by two men for hours, while strapped to a chair. This session became very personal and ended with me admitting to being raped. The polygraph perverts wanted to hear all of the details and just refused to believe that I wasn't a traiter. This was like reliving the rape all over again. 8 months later I tried to kill myself.
I have been a loyal government employee for 21 years and I was treated worse than any criminal that I have ever interviewed. I just can't believe that it is ok to subject our own people to this type of abuse/torture. I still haven't passed the test and my career is ruined, all for nothing. It is all bullshit, but there is nothing I can do about it.
There was a lot of lying going on in that room, but all of it was coming from the polygraphers. I find it ironic that I was being berated for being a liar, when I was telling the truth, and the polygraphers lied to me throughout the process. It's just rediculous. The emperor has no clothes. The government wraps itself in the cloak of ploygraph security, but their is no cloak. They don't catch any one, except for getting people to admit they smoked pot 20 years ago. They certainly didn't catch Proutty. If we had been spending more money on BIs, instead of contracting those out and relying on the stupid polygraph, we would be much more secure.
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The fact of the matter is, once they have made up their minds, no amount of talking will change their minds. I was interrogated, berated, accused of treason by two men for hours, while strapped to a chair. This session became very personal and ended with me admitting to being raped. The polygraph perverts wanted to hear all of the details and just refused to believe that I wasn't a traiter. This was like reliving the rape all over again. 8 months later I tried to kill myself.
I have been a loyal government employee for 21 years and I was treated worse than any criminal that I have ever interviewed. I just can't believe that it is ok to subject our own people to this type of abuse/torture. I still haven't passed the test and my career is ruined, all for nothing. It is all bullshit, but there is nothing I can do about it.
There was a lot of lying going on in that room, but all of it was coming from the polygraphers. I find it ironic that I was being berated for being a liar, when I was telling the truth, and the polygraphers lied to me throughout the process. It's just rediculous. The emperor has no clothes. The government wraps itself in the cloak of ploygraph security, but their is no cloak. They don't catch any one, except for getting people to admit they smoked pot 20 years ago. They certainly didn't catch Proutty. If we had been spending more money on BIs, instead of contracting those out and relying on the stupid polygraph, we would be much more secure.
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