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- Apr 03, 2014, 06:08 PMSeriously dad, this is the number 3 item on google when I search your name. -_-;
Posted by InnocentWithPTSD
- Aug 27, 2007, 04:51 PMHere Kenn.
Quote from: Stan_Smith on Aug 19, 2007, 02:26 AMQuote from: Lloyd Ploense on Aug 18, 2007, 08:57 PMGosh Stan:
You seem to be correct on two matters:
1) There do seem to be a lot of you;
2) Polygraph testing and the use of the results is based on circular logic.
The first seems to be obvious. Where did you find that YesMan character? I honestly have no idea who he is and, quite frankly, his inablity to grasp the English language well makes me wish he was not on my "side" in this debate. I hope there are not many more like him. The second requires a bit of analysis.
When a citizen is asked to take a polygraph exam, refusal to do so either disqualifies a citizen from consideration for employment by the government (for certain positions) The polygraph's use for employment consideration is irrelevant to me, it is it's use as a tool to help guide LE in the right direction regarding a possible suspect that I agree with. or indicates to LE officials that the citizen has something to hide. Should a citizen not 'pass' that unreliable exam the citizen is construed to be untruthful. Not neccesarily, it just means that perhaps there's more there that LE must look into.
All this is too reminiscent of scenes from Monty Python movies where circular logic is presented quite humorously. Lloyd, it is not I that have been using circular logic, it is you as I pointed out already. Attempting to turn your opponents arguemnt around on them is typical of someone with no actual basis for their own argument. It is not so funny Stan when there are real life consequences to the flawed practice of polygraph testing.
Now, a citizen cannot protest the false results of a flawed procedure without being wrongly accused of guilty fear. I will say this for the last time and then I will leave you all to your rantings (especially you Lloyd), Nobody has EVER been convicted of a crime based soley on having failed a polygraph test, PERIOD. Unfortunately, innocent people occasionally go to jail. This has never happened due SOLEY due to failure of a polygraph. Have you ever considered doing stand up comedy? Actually, I have considered it, and I'm thinking for my first joke I'll tell a story about a guy who poisoned his own wedding cake and when it was discovered, blamed the evil polygraph.
Lloyd Ploense
Stan
Posted by InnocentWithPTSD
- Aug 20, 2007, 03:18 PMThanks for your help, G-Man.
L
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Posted by YesMan
- Aug 20, 2007, 11:06 AMLloyd:
10-4. Spoke to my Bro.
Geo 4 YM
10-4. Spoke to my Bro.
Geo 4 YM
Posted by 1904
- Aug 20, 2007, 09:37 AMQuote from: YesMan on Aug 19, 2007, 07:20 PM
Hi YesMan:
Re: Please have your brother explain to you the meaning of a phrase used by Shakespeare in Henry VI, Part 2: "Mum's the word."
When she's done, please aske her to explain the following:
ESITO FIMUS DUM MORTIS
Posted by InnocentWithPTSD
- Aug 20, 2007, 08:44 AMGood Morning YesMan:
Thank you for posting to this forum. It is good to learn how to use a computer. You are lucky to have a brother like Geo.
Please have your brother explain to you the meaning of a phrase used by Shakespeare in Henry VI, Part 2: "Mum's the word."
Lloyd Ploense
Thank you for posting to this forum. It is good to learn how to use a computer. You are lucky to have a brother like Geo.
Please have your brother explain to you the meaning of a phrase used by Shakespeare in Henry VI, Part 2: "Mum's the word."
Lloyd Ploense
Posted by Stan_Smith
- Aug 19, 2007, 10:54 PMLloyd,
what kinds of text messages? Who or what do they indicate. Have you shown these to the police.
Hoping you're feeling better.
Stan
what kinds of text messages? Who or what do they indicate. Have you shown these to the police.
Hoping you're feeling better.
Stan
Posted by YesMan
- Aug 19, 2007, 07:20 PMMy little broder geo hez in colleg! has ben readng this. i lik his computr. Geo sez that he thinkz sombody poizond that cak to tont Loid. Geo sed to me Loid and the cops mite be looking for who think that funy. Whats a ping stan?
YM
YM
Posted by InnocentWithPTSD
- Aug 19, 2007, 06:17 PMStan:
I apologize if things are other than what they seem at first glance. The "ass..." thing in the subject of this post I learned before my marriage on Match.com. Some of the women there were quite ingenious with word usage in the length limited title field. I hope you don't mind too much. That was just trickery like polygraphy.
My wife and I do not know who did the deed. We do know who did not. We wish the police would ask us questions that can be answered with hard facts like phone and court records. Gee, we have found interesting text messages remaining on at least one cell phone.
I wish my wife had not posted on our website prior to our marriage enthusiastic text about how proud she was of that cake and how we would remember it forever...
I've learned that polygraph testing can be completely erroneous and that we need something much more accurate to replace it. Therefore, I'm beginning to work on invention disclosures and grant proposals for devices that will modernize detection of deception. This will take some time if it is possible at all so polygraphists and purveyors of such equipment will not likely be put out of business in the near future by anything other than the Constitution.
Lloyd
I apologize if things are other than what they seem at first glance. The "ass..." thing in the subject of this post I learned before my marriage on Match.com. Some of the women there were quite ingenious with word usage in the length limited title field. I hope you don't mind too much. That was just trickery like polygraphy.
My wife and I do not know who did the deed. We do know who did not. We wish the police would ask us questions that can be answered with hard facts like phone and court records. Gee, we have found interesting text messages remaining on at least one cell phone.
I wish my wife had not posted on our website prior to our marriage enthusiastic text about how proud she was of that cake and how we would remember it forever...
I've learned that polygraph testing can be completely erroneous and that we need something much more accurate to replace it. Therefore, I'm beginning to work on invention disclosures and grant proposals for devices that will modernize detection of deception. This will take some time if it is possible at all so polygraphists and purveyors of such equipment will not likely be put out of business in the near future by anything other than the Constitution.
Lloyd
Posted by Stan_Smith
- Aug 19, 2007, 01:16 PMOk, Lloyd,
Perhaps that last post was a bit harsh. Let's look at your case logically. In addition to your failed polygraph, what other evidence is there? Who else could have done this to you?
You claimed possibly one of your ex wives. According to your postings, one lives in California, the other in Connecticut. I'm doubting California, and even Connecticut seems a bit far. If not you, than who? If your cake was really poisoned, then who did it Lloyd? As I've said before, if you are TRULY innocent of this crime, I apologize. But based on what you've told us, there doesn't seem to be any other explaination.
And after all, you did fail the polygraph. (oh c'mon, THAT was funny)
Sane_Stan
Perhaps that last post was a bit harsh. Let's look at your case logically. In addition to your failed polygraph, what other evidence is there? Who else could have done this to you?
You claimed possibly one of your ex wives. According to your postings, one lives in California, the other in Connecticut. I'm doubting California, and even Connecticut seems a bit far. If not you, than who? If your cake was really poisoned, then who did it Lloyd? As I've said before, if you are TRULY innocent of this crime, I apologize. But based on what you've told us, there doesn't seem to be any other explaination.
And after all, you did fail the polygraph.
(oh c'mon, THAT was funny)Sane_Stan
Posted by Stan_Smith
- Aug 19, 2007, 12:56 PMLloyd,
oooo, touched a nerve there did I? As I have said before, I am not a polygrapher. But perhaps a person capable of poisoning their own wedding cake cannot understand the true meaning of honesty. It is impossible for a rape victom to have raped themselves. You on the other hand make it all to easy to believe you are capable of performing the crime you are accused of.
Sick sense of humor, perhaps. However you, Lloyd, seem to enjoy cherry picking the statistics to defend yourself. As I've said before, if you're Truly innocent, and there is no other evidence that you are guilty of this crime, then you should have nothing to worry about. Yet you seem verrrrry worried. Leads me to have some doubt as to your innocence is all.
Have a great Sunday, Lloyd,
Stan (notice not sick stan, only you utilize the ad homnim attacks. Another piece in the "lloyd did it" puzzle)
oooo, touched a nerve there did I? As I have said before, I am not a polygrapher. But perhaps a person capable of poisoning their own wedding cake cannot understand the true meaning of honesty. It is impossible for a rape victom to have raped themselves. You on the other hand make it all to easy to believe you are capable of performing the crime you are accused of.
Sick sense of humor, perhaps. However you, Lloyd, seem to enjoy cherry picking the statistics to defend yourself. As I've said before, if you're Truly innocent, and there is no other evidence that you are guilty of this crime, then you should have nothing to worry about. Yet you seem verrrrry worried. Leads me to have some doubt as to your innocence is all.
Have a great Sunday, Lloyd,
Stan (notice not sick stan, only you utilize the ad homnim attacks. Another piece in the "lloyd did it" puzzle)
Posted by InnocentWithPTSD
- Aug 19, 2007, 12:20 PMSick_Stan:
Next, you will likely be claiming all who are in opposition to discrimination and injustice really are inferior and their opposition proves it.
The poisoning of our leftover wedding cake was not funny Sick_Stan (SS). You are a very sick person to suggest it is. You are a very sick person to suggest that we, the victims of this crime would have committed it.
You are indeed a very sick person SS. If a rape victim came to be questioned by you in a polygraph exam, you would likely ask her if she raped herself distributing DNA evidence collected from some vile source upon herself to make the crime seem real. With your sick sense of humor SS, I bet you would enjoy telling said victim she failed the polygraph exam. In such circumstances, where a crime victim is falsely accused of criminal acts, polygraph testing yields far too many false positive results and we both know it SS.
So SS, please do not try to prove any points by taking jibes at crime victims. Your behavior only indicates your lack of human understanding, compassion and morality SS. Thus, you reveal yourself perfectly suited to your (seeming) profession, polygraphy.
Use your mind SS: palerider is an honest human faced with an almost impossible task. Though both you and he believe in polygraphy, palerider does not couple flawed investigation techniques with flawed logic. The greatest danger to our society is not from detection of deception technologies, but placing those instruments at the disposal of sick and deceptive persons such as you SS.
Lloyd
Next, you will likely be claiming all who are in opposition to discrimination and injustice really are inferior and their opposition proves it.
The poisoning of our leftover wedding cake was not funny Sick_Stan (SS). You are a very sick person to suggest it is. You are a very sick person to suggest that we, the victims of this crime would have committed it.
You are indeed a very sick person SS. If a rape victim came to be questioned by you in a polygraph exam, you would likely ask her if she raped herself distributing DNA evidence collected from some vile source upon herself to make the crime seem real. With your sick sense of humor SS, I bet you would enjoy telling said victim she failed the polygraph exam. In such circumstances, where a crime victim is falsely accused of criminal acts, polygraph testing yields far too many false positive results and we both know it SS.
So SS, please do not try to prove any points by taking jibes at crime victims. Your behavior only indicates your lack of human understanding, compassion and morality SS. Thus, you reveal yourself perfectly suited to your (seeming) profession, polygraphy.
Use your mind SS: palerider is an honest human faced with an almost impossible task. Though both you and he believe in polygraphy, palerider does not couple flawed investigation techniques with flawed logic. The greatest danger to our society is not from detection of deception technologies, but placing those instruments at the disposal of sick and deceptive persons such as you SS.
Lloyd
Posted by Stan_Smith
- Aug 19, 2007, 02:26 AMQuote from: Lloyd Ploense on Aug 18, 2007, 08:57 PMGosh Stan:
You seem to be correct on two matters:
1) There do seem to be a lot of you;
2) Polygraph testing and the use of the results is based on circular logic.
The first seems to be obvious. Where did you find that YesMan character? I honestly have no idea who he is and, quite frankly, his inablity to grasp the English language well makes me wish he was not on my "side" in this debate. I hope there are not many more like him. The second requires a bit of analysis.
When a citizen is asked to take a polygraph exam, refusal to do so either disqualifies a citizen from consideration for employment by the government (for certain positions) The polygraph's use for employment consideration is irrelevant to me, it is it's use as a tool to help guide LE in the right direction regarding a possible suspect that I agree with. or indicates to LE officials that the citizen has something to hide. Should a citizen not 'pass' that unreliable exam the citizen is construed to be untruthful. Not neccesarily, it just means that perhaps there's more there that LE must look into.
All this is too reminiscent of scenes from Monty Python movies where circular logic is presented quite humorously. Lloyd, it is not I that have been using circular logic, it is you as I pointed out already. Attempting to turn your opponents arguemnt around on them is typical of someone with no actual basis for their own argument. It is not so funny Stan when there are real life consequences to the flawed practice of polygraph testing.
Now, a citizen cannot protest the false results of a flawed procedure without being wrongly accused of guilty fear. I will say this for the last time and then I will leave you all to your rantings (especially you Lloyd), Nobody has EVER been convicted of a crime based soley on having failed a polygraph test, PERIOD. Unfortunately, innocent people occasionally go to jail. This has never happened due SOLEY due to failure of a polygraph. Have you ever considered doing stand up comedy? Actually, I have considered it, and I'm thinking for my first joke I'll tell a story about a guy who poisoned his own wedding cake and when it was discovered, blamed the evil polygraph.
Lloyd Ploense
Stan
Posted by InnocentWithPTSD
- Aug 18, 2007, 08:57 PMGosh Stan:
You seem to be correct on two matters:
1) There do seem to be a lot of you;
2) Polygraph testing and the use of the results is based on circular logic.
The first seems to be obvious. Where did you find that YesMan character? I hope there are not many more like him. The second requires a bit of analysis.
When a citizen is asked to take a polygraph exam, refusal to do so either disqualifies a citizen from consideration for employment by the government (for certain positions) or indicates to LE officials that the citizen has something to hide. Should a citizen not 'pass' that unreliable exam the citizen is construed to be untruthful.
All this is too reminiscent of scenes from Monty Python movies where circular logic is presented quite humorously. It is not so funny Stan when there are real life consequences to the flawed practice of polygraph testing.
Now, a citizen cannot protest the false results of a flawed procedure without being wrongly accused of guilty fear. Have you ever considered doing stand up comedy?
Lloyd Ploense
You seem to be correct on two matters:
1) There do seem to be a lot of you;
2) Polygraph testing and the use of the results is based on circular logic.
The first seems to be obvious. Where did you find that YesMan character? I hope there are not many more like him. The second requires a bit of analysis.
When a citizen is asked to take a polygraph exam, refusal to do so either disqualifies a citizen from consideration for employment by the government (for certain positions) or indicates to LE officials that the citizen has something to hide. Should a citizen not 'pass' that unreliable exam the citizen is construed to be untruthful.
All this is too reminiscent of scenes from Monty Python movies where circular logic is presented quite humorously. It is not so funny Stan when there are real life consequences to the flawed practice of polygraph testing.
Now, a citizen cannot protest the false results of a flawed procedure without being wrongly accused of guilty fear. Have you ever considered doing stand up comedy?
Lloyd Ploense
Posted by YesMan
- Aug 18, 2007, 07:45 PMGo Stan;
taht jerk Lloyd must of done it cauze hes crazy or somthing. If som idiet fails a polygram and iz pissed it must be cuz hes a crook.Your right about the lye detector to. We need to use it. If our goverment says its okay it must be no matter what Lloyd or that uppity Leth says. I believe in it and Im glad you doo to.
YM
taht jerk Lloyd must of done it cauze hes crazy or somthing. If som idiet fails a polygram and iz pissed it must be cuz hes a crook.Your right about the lye detector to. We need to use it. If our goverment says its okay it must be no matter what Lloyd or that uppity Leth says. I believe in it and Im glad you doo to.
YM