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Posted by beech trees
- Mar 31, 2002, 06:09 PMQuote from: propoly2 on Mar 31, 2002, 12:59 PMLittered with horror stories of those wrongly convicted? Yeah right. Go to prison and you hear the same thing. They are all innocent too. This is kind of like the old saying, "Honor among thieves." Give me a break.
Mr. Propoly2,
I don't think I understand your point. Are you suggesting that the anecdotes and personal statements on this website are all the writings of guilty people, or of liars?
All of them or just some of them?
Perhaps you could point out the ones you feel are untruthful, with a brief explanation as to what foundation you have to make such an accusation?
The posters on these boards whom you derogatorily paint as 'honorable thieves' include retired FBI agents, police officers, and military men & women.
Posted by propoly2
- Mar 31, 2002, 12:59 PMQuote from: beech trees on Mar 31, 2002, 12:00 PM
And yet in another thread on this board you clearly saw that the use of countermeasures by poster 'xpmachina' worked beautifully.
Would that it were so easy. Unfortunately this bulletin baord it littered with horror stories that directly and clearly contradict your assertions.
Littered with horror stories of those wrongly convicted? Yeah right. Go to prison and you hear the same thing. They are all innocent too. This is kind of like the old saying, "Honor among thieves." Give me a break.
Posted by beech trees
- Mar 31, 2002, 12:00 PMQuote from: Propoly on Mar 28, 2002, 04:06 PM
Jim my friend, you already set yourself up for failure in your attempt to use counter measures.
And yet in another thread on this board you clearly saw that the use of countermeasures by poster 'xpmachina' worked beautifully.
QuoteJust tell the truth, and you won't have any problems in the future.
Would that it were so easy. Unfortunately this bulletin baord it littered with horror stories that directly and clearly contradict your assertions.
QuoteYou appeared to be confused on which measures to use, or which questions to use them on.
Although I disagree with your characterization of jim's posts, in the interests of helping jim better understand the nature of CQT polygraphy and the ease with which countermeasures can be used, I will suggest he read The Lie Behind The Lie Detector and then post any question he may have.
Posted by jim
- Mar 31, 2002, 03:35 AMPropoly, I question your motive for your participation in this forum. If you believe that telling the truth is the right way, why do you need to find Antipolygraph.org? Many people, including myself, are here to run more about the myth of polygraph and pass the test since there is substantial reason the test itself is questionable. Of course I do not want to make a false statement nor lie but I have read many individuals' testimonies that telling the truth or being honest does not necessarily work. I simply want to make sure I pass the test.
Posted by G Scalabr
- Mar 28, 2002, 10:56 PMQuoteJim my friend, you already set yourself up for failure in your attempt to use counter measures.Care to support this statement?
QuoteYou appeared to be confused on which measures to use...Perhaps you could explain how you deduced this from what Jim posted?
Posted by Propoly
- Mar 28, 2002, 04:06 PMJim my friend, you already set yourself up for failure in your attempt to use counter measures. You appeared to be confused on which measures to use, or which questions to use them on. Just tell the truth, and you won't have any problems in the future. 
Posted by jim
- Feb 19, 2002, 04:22 PMThank you for your quick response. No I didn't say yes to whether I stole anything question but I wonder I should finish the test without employing the countermeasure technique; however, your answer made me little better, but not much. We'll see.
You're right about the tester; she seemed care about nothing and just did the test; no small talk, not even lousy good morning.
You're right about the tester; she seemed care about nothing and just did the test; no small talk, not even lousy good morning.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Feb 19, 2002, 03:50 PMJim,
The question, "Since the age of 16, have you ever stolen anything of value?" is a common probable-lie control question. Keep in mind, however, that substantive admissions to this question (e.g., "Why yes, I stole a car once!" or any admission to theft of money) could be disqualifying.
Generally, lack of a post-test interrogation is a good sign that one has passed the "test." But based on your description, your polygrapher sounds like the kind that other polygraphers disparagingly dismiss as "chart rollers" (i.e., those who just go through the motions).
At this point, it's anyone's guess whether you passed or not. If I had to guess though, my guess would be that you passed. Will you let us know when you get the result?
The question, "Since the age of 16, have you ever stolen anything of value?" is a common probable-lie control question. Keep in mind, however, that substantive admissions to this question (e.g., "Why yes, I stole a car once!" or any admission to theft of money) could be disqualifying.
Generally, lack of a post-test interrogation is a good sign that one has passed the "test." But based on your description, your polygrapher sounds like the kind that other polygraphers disparagingly dismiss as "chart rollers" (i.e., those who just go through the motions).
At this point, it's anyone's guess whether you passed or not. If I had to guess though, my guess would be that you passed. Will you let us know when you get the result?
Posted by jim
- Feb 19, 2002, 03:22 PMI don't know if I did it right or not. Is this a control question?
Since the age of 16, have you ever stolen anythihng of value?
I thought this was a control question so I applied a countermeasue. But after the test, she told me I had a strong reaction regarding theft question (naturally). Do they question or do post-interview on control question, or did I make a mistake of reacting to a relevant question?
Here's a funny thing also. I already filled out polygraph questionaire they mailed it few days earlier. The tester looked at the paper;she didn't do any pre-interview nor provided with any explanation on the test. She didn't do stim test either. We just went right ahead and after the test, she asked about the above (which took less than 2min). Was that considered a post interview? She just said she would forward the result to the police dept I was applying.
What do you think? Did I pass or fail?
Since the age of 16, have you ever stolen anythihng of value?
I thought this was a control question so I applied a countermeasue. But after the test, she told me I had a strong reaction regarding theft question (naturally). Do they question or do post-interview on control question, or did I make a mistake of reacting to a relevant question?
Here's a funny thing also. I already filled out polygraph questionaire they mailed it few days earlier. The tester looked at the paper;she didn't do any pre-interview nor provided with any explanation on the test. She didn't do stim test either. We just went right ahead and after the test, she asked about the above (which took less than 2min). Was that considered a post interview? She just said she would forward the result to the police dept I was applying.
What do you think? Did I pass or fail?