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Posted by alterego1
- Aug 14, 2006, 02:53 AMQuote from: underlyingtruth on Aug 10, 2006, 09:10 PM
OMG, I made a MAJOR typo and nobody corrected me...
This is supposed to read: "And yes, if the RQ response is higher than the CQ response, you will fail the test. This is why the more honest you are, the more likely you are to fail the polygraph."
My mistake was obvious in the context of the previous post, but I sure hope I didn't confuse anybody.
I'll correct it now.
Good catch, underlyingtruth. I'm surprised George "Mr. Clean" Maschke didn't call ya out on that one!
Posted by bendover
- Aug 10, 2006, 11:45 PMyou found it!!! 
OMG....
I thought I wasn't getting it 
I assumed it had to be a typo and did not have time to get your answer before my poly, THANKS for correcting and all your input, it is GREATLY appreciated
-BD-
OMG....
I thought I wasn't getting it I assumed it had to be a typo and did not have time to get your answer before my poly, THANKS for correcting and all your input, it is GREATLY appreciated
-BD-
Posted by underlyingtruth
- Aug 10, 2006, 09:10 PMQuote from: underlyingtruth on Jul 25, 2006, 10:40 PM
And yes, if the CQ response is higher than the RQ response, you will fail the test. This is why the more honest you are, the more likely you are to fail the polygraph.
OMG, I made a MAJOR typo and nobody corrected me...
This is supposed to read: "And yes, if the RQ response is higher than the CQ response, you will fail the test. This is why the more honest you are, the more likely you are to fail the polygraph."
My mistake was obvious in the context of the previous post, but I sure hope I didn't confuse anybody.
I'll correct it now.
Posted by flechettes
- Jul 25, 2006, 11:43 PMQuote from: underlyingtruth on Jul 25, 2006, 10:40 PMThe point of the question was to show you that there is uncertainty about your answer, which is what makes it a control question. The polygrapher wants you to answer yes to the question assuming that you will be uneasy with your answer.
And yes, if the CQ response is higher than the RQ response, you will fail the test. This is why the more honest you are, the more likely you are to fail the polygraph.
Here are some example CQs from TLBTLD
Alright, that clears it up! These are the type of questions you would want to use CM on regardless of if you think you are telling the truth or not. For example, I believe I am a trustworthy person, but I realize that I am capable of behaving in a untrustworthy manner.
So, I would answer yes, but it does not really matter because it is a control question and control question = CM
Posted by underlyingtruth
- Jul 25, 2006, 10:40 PMThe point of the question was to show you that there is uncertainty about your answer, which is what makes it a control question. The polygrapher wants you to answer yes to the question assuming that you will be uneasy with your answer.
And yes, if the RQ response is higher than the CQ response, you will fail the test. This is why the more honest you are, the more likely you are to fail the polygraph.
Here are some example CQs from TLBTLD
And yes, if the RQ response is higher than the CQ response, you will fail the test. This is why the more honest you are, the more likely you are to fail the polygraph.
Here are some example CQs from TLBTLD
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1. Have you ever lied to a supervisor?
2. Have you ever lied to loved ones?
3. Have you ever lied to parents, teachers, or the police?
4. Have you ever lied to get out of trouble?
5. Did you ever reveal anything told to you in confidence?
6. Did you ever cheat in school?
7. Did you ever cheat in college?
8. Did you ever betray the trust of a friend or relative?
9. Did you ever steal anything from an employer? (Note, however,
that any question about stealing money from an employer is a
relevant, not a control question!)
10. Do you sometimes intentionally mislead or deceive your
friends?
11. Are you a really honest person?
12. Are you absolutely trustworthy?
13. Do you think you are smarter than most people?
14. Are you an untrustworthy person?
15. Are you a dishonest person?
And if you consume alcoholic beverages and drive a car, you may
well be asked:
16. Have you ever driven while under the influence of alcohol?
This may seem like a relevant question, but it's not. Your polygrapher
assumes that anyone who drinks and has a driver's license must
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have difficulty to honestly say he's never driven while under the
influence of alcohol.
Other "control" questions commonly used in probable-lie "control"
question "tests" that may at first seem like relevant questions
are:
17. Is there anything in your background that you are afraid that
our investigator might find out?
18. Have you ever done anything that would embarrass you if
your parents found out?
19. Have you ever done anything you would be embarrassed to
tell me about?
In addition, if, like most people, you initially admit to having told
some white lies, your polygrapher may rephrase the question as:
20. Have you ever lied about anything serious?
Don't be fooled. It's still a control question. Your polygrapher expects
that your denial will still be a lie, or that you will at least feel anxiety
over whether your denial is completely truthful. Similarly, if your
polygrapher rephrases, "Did you ever cheat in school?" to "Did you
ever cheat in college?" it's still a "control" question.
Posted by flechettes
- Jul 25, 2006, 09:33 PMQuote from: underlyingtruth on Jul 24, 2006, 12:42 PM
A control question is one where you are required to give the "correct" answer. Whether your answer is a lie or not depends on the way you define the question.
Have you ever committed a serious crime?
(I don't know... what is a serious crime? Is a DWI a serious crime? Is jaywalking? My mother thinks that missing church is a serious offense against God).
As opposed to: Have you ever been arrested? This is a straightforward question and requires no further clarification.
Are you trustworthy? Do you think that answering "Yes" to that question is a lie?
Do I think that question is a lie? I thought the answer to this question given by an examinee would be yes and that is would be a lie more times than it would be the truth. I would say I am trustworthy, but is there not a doubt in everyone's mind about this question? Ok so lets say I think I am and I say yes and the reading by the tester is assumed a lie and then I am asked a relevent question and I tell the truth but it reads higher than the control question, then it is assumed I am lying.
Is that right???
Posted by flechettes
- Jul 25, 2006, 12:46 AMQuote from: underlyingtruth on Jul 24, 2006, 12:42 PM
A control question is one where you are required to give the "correct" answer. Whether your answer is a lie or not depends on the way you define the question.
Have you ever committed a serious crime?
(I don't know... what is a serious crime? Is a DWI a serious crime? Is jaywalking? My mother thinks that missing church is a serious offense against God).
As opposed to: Have you ever been arrested? This is a straightforward question and requires no further clarification.
Are you trustworthy? Do you think that answering "Yes" to that question is a lie?
Well, I would have to say I have not been 100% trustworthy for my whole life. I would also like to think that when it comes to certain things I am, but maybe that is because I am fearful of getting caught and going to prision!
A serious crime to me would be at least a felony, but I think I get your point. I am reading the book posted here for free and it seems to help.
Posted by underlyingtruth
- Jul 24, 2006, 12:42 PMQuote from: flechettes on Jul 23, 2006, 06:54 PMThanks a lot. A control question is a question where the answer will probably be a lie.....correct??A control question is one where you are required to give the "correct" answer. Whether your answer is a lie or not depends on the way you define the question.
Have you ever committed a serious crime?
(I don't know... what is a serious crime? Is a DWI a serious crime? Is jaywalking? My mother thinks that missing church is a serious offense against God).
As opposed to: Have you ever been arrested? This is a straightforward question and requires no further clarification.
Are you trustworthy? Do you think that answering "Yes" to that question is a lie?
Posted by flechettes
- Jul 23, 2006, 06:54 PMThanks a lot. A control question is a question where the answer will probably be a lie.....correct??
Posted by underlyingtruth
- Jul 23, 2006, 05:49 PMQuote from: flechettes on Jul 23, 2006, 04:04 PM
"Are you trustworth"?
Does anyone know what kind of a polygraph question that is?
That's a control question.
Posted by flechettes
- Jul 23, 2006, 04:04 PMI am under the understanding that to get a security clearance that one has to be trustworthy. They decide if you can be trusted and if so, they let you in the club.
This reminds me of the mafia. What does one have to do to earn their bones to serve their country? Is anyone 100% loyal? Where would you crack if put under pressure to reveal something classified?
"Are you trustworth"?
Does anyone know what kind of a polygraph question that is? Is is the kind of question that most people will probably lie about? For example, a married man who is is the kind of person who would never betray their country by giving up classified information, but would have a sex/love affair outside their marriage. Does that make them a risk that can not be managed??
This reminds me of the mafia. What does one have to do to earn their bones to serve their country? Is anyone 100% loyal? Where would you crack if put under pressure to reveal something classified?
"Are you trustworth"?
Does anyone know what kind of a polygraph question that is? Is is the kind of question that most people will probably lie about? For example, a married man who is is the kind of person who would never betray their country by giving up classified information, but would have a sex/love affair outside their marriage. Does that make them a risk that can not be managed??