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Posted by evan pulliki
- Mar 12, 2003, 10:10 AM
I'll tell you something the secret is to lie, lie, lie, lie, because the real honest FBI agents never get the job...Always lie...
If the president can do it, so can you!
*wink*
Posted by Skeptic
- Feb 25, 2003, 08:23 PMQuote from: Torpedo on Feb 25, 2003, 07:59 PM
Skeptic, I respectfully request your assistance. I could probably go back through all of the postings in the archives of this site, but I am sure you can answer this quickly and succintly. I appreciate you saving me the work. What exactly is your personal experience with polygraph? Have you ever taken a polygraph? Did you pass? Did you fail? Are you a former polygraph examiner ? Have you passed a polygraph in which you knew you were untruthful by using countermeasures. Just wondering...Thanks for your quick reply.
I don't mind discussing it at all. I've taken three polygraphs for employment with the National Security Agency. All three were Relevant/Irrelevant format. I don't really know whether I "passed" or "failed", as I understand NSA uses the polygraph primarily as a means to elicit confessions, and although I went through three post-test interrogations, I was never explicitly told I "failed". My understanding now is that most people applying at NSA face post-test interrogations and multiple polygraphs.
I used countermeasures during the first two polygraphs on sacrifice relevant questions and on a breakdown test. Not surprisingly (for an NSA R/I exam) the countermeasures didn't help on the regular exam -- I got interrogated anyway. They had the clear effect of foiling the breakdown exam, though, and there was no indication of detection whatsoever.
The last exam was the only time I was explicitly asked about research into polygraphy, at which time I volunteered my knowledge of the polygraph and countermeasures. At no time during any of the exams did I answer any questions dishonestly.
After the third exam, I waited about a month and a half, and having heard nothing further (despite two attempts to contact the NSA and discover my status) proceeded to withdraw my application, primarily because I didn't want the joy of going through the same experience every five years or so. Their response indicated to me that I had not been disqualified from the application process at the time, so presumably (despite all the fun interrogations) I passed.
Skeptic
Posted by Torpedo
- Feb 25, 2003, 07:59 PMSkeptic, I respectfully request your assistance. I could probably go back through all of the postings in the archives of this site, but I am sure you can answer this quickly and succintly. I appreciate you saving me the work. What exactly is your personal experience with polygraph? Have you ever taken a polygraph? Did you pass? Did you fail? Are you a former polygraph examiner ? Have you passed a polygraph in which you knew you were untruthful by using countermeasures. Just wondering...Thanks for your quick reply.
Posted by Skeptic
- Feb 25, 2003, 06:29 PMQuote from: Xmit on Feb 25, 2003, 05:32 PM
I just recently passed the FBI polygraph test and I think it was so easy. As an Asian, I passed, I think every body in here will be passed. The key is to answer honestly with the questions-whether you did or didn't, tell the agent up-front.
Wish you guys luck. Remember be honest.
Congratulations on passing. I think we all here agree that honesty in response to relevant questions asked by background investigators/counterintelligence personnel is important.
Unfortunately, honesty does not appear to be a sufficient means to "pass" a polygraph in many cases. I'm glad it was in yours.
Best of luck in your future endeavors.
Skeptic
Posted by Xmit
- Feb 25, 2003, 05:32 PMI just recently passed the FBI polygraph test and I think it was so easy. As an Asian, I passed, I think every body in here will be passed. The key is to answer honestly with the questions-whether you did or didn't, tell the agent up-front.
Wish you guys luck. Remember be honest.
Wish you guys luck. Remember be honest.
Posted by beech trees
- Feb 14, 2003, 01:45 PMQuote from: Guest_User on Feb 14, 2003, 11:26 AM
This thread seems to ramble on and on with conspiracy theories and people's insane notions that polygraph screening must be defated with scientific knowledge and the reading of some book. In all honesty, if you want to work for any agency but are so distrustful of them that you buy into this horse dung, then you should rethink your career goals.
What aspect(s) of understanding the lie behind the lie detector and seeking to eliminate this unscientific fraud from the pre-employment screening and counter-intelligence screening is (are) insane, exactly?
Your second thought has validity: Any entity that would rely on the polygraph to select the 'best and brightest' should be evaluated according to the travesty of that policy.
QuoteDuc, I liked your postings, but please keep in mind that some details of your experiences are better left undisclosed.
Why?
Posted by Guest 1
- Feb 14, 2003, 11:47 AMAnyone who is not "distrustful" of ALL government agencies is a fool.
Posted by Guest_User
- Feb 14, 2003, 11:26 AMThis thread seems to ramble on and on with conspiracy theories and people's insane notions that polygraph screening must be defated with scientific knowledge and the reading of some book. In all honesty, if you want to work for any agency but are so distrustful of them that you buy into this horse dung, then you should rethink your career goals.
Duc, I liked your postings, but please keep in mind that some details of your experiences are better left undisclosed.
Duc, I liked your postings, but please keep in mind that some details of your experiences are better left undisclosed.
Posted by Skeptic
- Dec 16, 2002, 02:52 AMQuote from: polylawman on Dec 16, 2002, 02:19 AM
Thats realy good "I read something somewhere" This post is indicative of the entire site
Oh, please. Much of the information on polygraphy presented on Antipolygraph.org is the most thoroughly-researched and referenced you can find.
On the other hand, the lowbrow quality of your posts, polylawman (I doubt you'd know good research if it bit you in the behind) is pretty much the average of what we see here from polygraph proponents.
Do yourself a favor and don't cast that stone.
Skeptic
Posted by polylawman
- Dec 16, 2002, 02:19 AMThats realy good "I read something somewhere" This post is indicative of the entire site
Posted by PROAc
- Dec 16, 2002, 12:57 AMI read somewhere that 40% of the total FBI workforce (special agent only) have less than 5 years experiences. That would mean most of the FBI polygraphers are new at their positions or as in the Hanssen report by Judge Webster, mentioned that most agents considered security-related duties like polygraphy as dead-ends jobs, meaning the best and brightest agents are not being used.
BTW, requiring a college degrees will disqualify most military personnel, who have the field experiences and combat experiences for some.
BTW, requiring a college degrees will disqualify most military personnel, who have the field experiences and combat experiences for some.
Posted by Fair Chance
- Nov 08, 2002, 01:30 AMDear Accesspoint,
Please download the "Lie Behind the Lie Detector." Skip to chapter 3 and 4. It will be worth your time.
Regards.
Please download the "Lie Behind the Lie Detector." Skip to chapter 3 and 4. It will be worth your time.
Regards.
Posted by accesspoint
- Nov 08, 2002, 12:06 AMCould someone tell me in laymans terms what a "control" question is and maybe an example?
Posted by jrjr2
- Apr 20, 2002, 08:36 AMthey would not tell me which specific questions i failed but they did say that I was found to be deceptive in multiple areas.There were really only two areas which could maybe be broken into four , drug use, drug selling, selling sensitive information, and belonging to a group with ill intent toward the govenrment. I am I have no real way of knowing which areas I failed since I have not done any of these.
Posted by jrjr2
- Apr 19, 2002, 08:29 PMI have attempted to make contact with Mr. Zaid I am merely waiting for a reply. I do intend to appeal the decision but from what I have read on this site I do not hold much hope but if by some glimmer of hope I should get a retest I will be using countermeasures.
In reponse to the questions posted about my accounts, I found out the following day that I failed, anyone familiar with polygraphs knows that an examiner knows right away whether the subject has passed or failed. It is my understanding that the FBI polygrapher will say that it has to be sent to washington for verification before results are made available to the examinee.
As far as what exact control questions are, there were several : have you ever told a lie to an employer to save yourself from discipline? Is there anything in your background that if you told us about you could be arrested for? there were two others but I can't remember them however, when compared to the relevant questions they are transparent.
On another note I have contacted the LAPD about employment and they told me that a failed polygraph would definitely be taken into account in any applicant hiring process. I also spoke with Customs because I am a commercial rated pilot and I wanted to fly for them but a recruiter I spoke with said in no uncertain terms that I would not be considered for employment with the polygraph failure on my record.
In reponse to the questions posted about my accounts, I found out the following day that I failed, anyone familiar with polygraphs knows that an examiner knows right away whether the subject has passed or failed. It is my understanding that the FBI polygrapher will say that it has to be sent to washington for verification before results are made available to the examinee.
As far as what exact control questions are, there were several : have you ever told a lie to an employer to save yourself from discipline? Is there anything in your background that if you told us about you could be arrested for? there were two others but I can't remember them however, when compared to the relevant questions they are transparent.
On another note I have contacted the LAPD about employment and they told me that a failed polygraph would definitely be taken into account in any applicant hiring process. I also spoke with Customs because I am a commercial rated pilot and I wanted to fly for them but a recruiter I spoke with said in no uncertain terms that I would not be considered for employment with the polygraph failure on my record.