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Posted by rochetag
- Jan 19, 2006, 01:57 AMWhile it is very true that I have never taken a polygraph, I have no idea what is going to happen. I can only read what others have endured, and it sounds as if it is not an exact science. With that said, knowing that my background has not been perfect, I am looking forward to the opportunity. I have heard that it is not a lifestyle poly, but, that could be totally irrelevant when it comes to a poly. I should be getting a call very shortly, and will let you know what happens.
I was already to the point of being disbarred from federal employment due to the mistake and being rejected after the background, now I feel that the poly cannot be worse than what I just went through. Again, since I have never been through this process, I feel that I have much to learn.
I was already to the point of being disbarred from federal employment due to the mistake and being rejected after the background, now I feel that the poly cannot be worse than what I just went through. Again, since I have never been through this process, I feel that I have much to learn.
Posted by Johnn
- Jan 18, 2006, 11:56 PMQuote from: polyfool on Jan 18, 2006, 11:48 PM
rochetag,
Glad to hear that you got things straightened out. Keep in mind as you agree to submit to a poly that it's a severe blow to tell the truth during one, fail and be subjected to mental abuse by a polygraph examiner. Make sure you know what you're getting yourself into before you submit to one. The results will never be erased from your permanent FBI file. Failures will follow you and limit future career choices. Good luck.
Exactly. And not to mention the mental anguish and stresses of having to tell your family and friends that you are no longer involved in the process because the FBI accused you of being a drug user/seller/crackhead/ and a National Security breech.
Your siblings -
Your parents -
Your friends -
YOU -
Posted by polyfool
- Jan 18, 2006, 11:48 PMQuote from: rochetag on Jan 18, 2006, 06:24 PMWell, I found out that my persistence with inquiries has paid off. I made another phone call and received a call back that somehow there had been a mistake made in my processing. I was told that my application, background has not been cancelled and that I will be receiving a call for my polygraph shortly. This was a big hurdle to overcome especially when I knew that I did everything that I could, something just did not add up. I hope this never happens to anyone because when you know that you were honest about everything up front, it is a severe blow. If it does, make inquiries, even to those not involved drectly in the process.
rochetag,
Glad to hear that you got things straightened out. Keep in mind as you agree to submit to a poly that it's a severe blow to tell the truth during one, fail and be subjected to mental abuse by a polygraph examiner. Make sure you know what you're getting yourself into before you submit to one. The results will never be erased from your permanent FBI file. Failures will follow you and limit future career choices. Good luck.
Posted by rochetag
- Jan 18, 2006, 06:24 PMWell, I found out that my persistence with inquiries has paid off. I made another phone call and received a call back that somehow there had been a mistake made in my processing. I was told that my application, background has not been cancelled and that I will be receiving a call for my polygraph shortly. This was a big hurdle to overcome especially when I knew that I did everything that I could, something just did not add up. I hope this never happens to anyone because when you know that you were honest about everything up front, it is a severe blow. If it does, make inquiries, even to those not involved drectly in the process.
Posted by rochetag
- Jan 15, 2006, 10:37 PMOk, now I have a really stupid question; just because I have never been through anything like this before and I am not sure what the policy and procedure are. If I find that when I receive the letter explaining the reason why and I appeal the decision, am I barred from seeking other employment within the same organization or can I apply for another job at another location? I guess that what I am looking for is a second chance to redeem myself but maybe in another field.
Posted by rochetag
- Jan 14, 2006, 07:53 PMI just double checked myself by checking my background questionnare and I had to list in the continuation part about the misdemeanor. So that was listed. I hope it does not have to do with my credit as when I spoke to the woman she mentioned it had to do with the misdemeanor and the criminal record. This is what really baffles me because when I checked the disqualifiers, this misdemeanor is not listed. Realistically speaking, I was charged with joyriding on an ATV, but it went under a misdemeanor. I can only hope that it was something simple because I don't really qualify for anything else with only having an AAS in Criminal Justice and a certificate in Terrorism and National Security Management.
Posted by polyfool
- Jan 14, 2006, 07:42 PMrochetag,
It definitely sounds like a credit problem. Too bad you didn't get things cleared up before you applied with the agency. I'm sure you'll get things straightened out and move on. Again, be glad you were cut loose before submitting to the poly and that you know about this site.
It definitely sounds like a credit problem. Too bad you didn't get things cleared up before you applied with the agency. I'm sure you'll get things straightened out and move on. Again, be glad you were cut loose before submitting to the poly and that you know about this site.
Posted by rochetag
- Jan 14, 2006, 07:39 PMI just saw you posted while I was writing. Yes, the information was provided on my background form. As I know that withholding information could look like you were trying to hide it. I made sure that all was included, the only thing that I did not provide were the records or the copies of the records that verify everything. I obtained all this information to try and help with the investigation. Maybe I hampered it instead. Hmmm?
Posted by rochetag
- Jan 14, 2006, 07:35 PMI appreciate your response and candor, as I know that every agency does things a little different. I was hoping that they mixed me up with someone else, as when I did a name search, numerous people with the same name popped up. Boy, identity theft anyone. Anyways I filled out the form the other day for the FOIA and then I sent an email to the point-of-contact asking how long it would be to receive the letter that states the reason why I was denied. My attorney already has filed suit against the creditor for the misinformation and the credit bureau for their violation in this matter. The other problems that I had with my credit report were deleted(I know after the fact), but this was added to my file in November. Maybe I was a day late and a dollar short. I will not give up on this as I have worked very hard to clear my name and form a good character. I guess only time will tell.
Posted by polyfool
- Jan 14, 2006, 07:33 PMrochetag,
Sorry, I just re-read your post and realized something. Did you fully disclose your misdemeanor and the full details on your security form BEFORE your PSI. This is very important because any amendments made or additional info. is noted in the PSI report and the agent lists the reasons for the changes. If you did not disclose your record before the PSI, you were likely deemed to have withheld info. I don't know how the FBI handles misdemeanors, but for an agency that requires applicants to disclose traffic tickets, I would guess, such a charge and/or conviction would not be looked upon favorably.
Best of luck to you.
Sorry, I just re-read your post and realized something. Did you fully disclose your misdemeanor and the full details on your security form BEFORE your PSI. This is very important because any amendments made or additional info. is noted in the PSI report and the agent lists the reasons for the changes. If you did not disclose your record before the PSI, you were likely deemed to have withheld info. I don't know how the FBI handles misdemeanors, but for an agency that requires applicants to disclose traffic tickets, I would guess, such a charge and/or conviction would not be looked upon favorably.
Best of luck to you.
Posted by polyfool
- Jan 14, 2006, 07:08 PMQuote from: rochetag on Jan 14, 2006, 02:29 AMWell now that throws me for a loop.
The situation was that I applied for this job, then my status changed as qualified and then referred to hiring official. A week later I get a call from HQ to come in for an interview(June 7th). I meet the mangers and was told that the background will start when my forms are sent to them. A week later then I receive the job offer contingent on the background(June 17th). After a month I get a call to come in for my security interview and drug testing(July 27th) I waited 3 hours before being told the agent who was going to conduct the interview was no longer my point-of-contact. A upervisor got upset and grabbed the first agent he could to get me through and apologized numerous times. Two weeks later I called the person who did my drug testing because she stated she was now the point-of-contact. She said it was a good thing I called because she had not put me in the system yet(August 12th). Two weeks later I get a call from HQ that my status had changed from alternate to the regular status(August 24th). In October I get a call from the agent who did my security interview and asked a couple of questions about my credit record. After that I did not hear anything until I sent an email to the original contact on the vacancy announcement and she said that I was denied in August. So I then called the woman who did my drug testing and she verified the information and she was confused as to why I did not receive a letter. The system stated no letter went out but she said something about my misdemeanor and new information being found. I can accurately state no new information was found because I provided copies of all county records regarding the misdemeanor to the agent after my secuirty interview. He asked why I didn't bring those in with me and I stated that I was told not to bring anything with me, he then stated to fax the information to him when I can. I have copies of the fax record to proves it, but I hope it doesn't come down to that.
As far as the start date, I was told it was scheduled to begin in February by the manager who interviewed me originally. I hope this info helps.
rochetag,
It sounds like the agency halted your processing after finding a discrepancy or something that would disqualify you from working there. Your poly would have come after the PSI/fingerprints/drug test. Sounds like your BI got started early before the agency could schedule a poly. Keep in mind, the person you talked with on the phone may not have known exactly why you were D'qd because the records may not have been accessible at that time. Employees are able to access the system and locate your status, but as far as details--they may not be processed yet to provide them and you with the answers you seek. An employee I spoke w/ by phone began giving me the status of another applicant because we had the same first name, perhaps, last? I questioned her because she told me I hadn't been polygraphed because I admitted to lying during the pre-interview. I protested and told her I was hooked up and poly'd. She asked if ---was my middle name and I responded, "no." She was then able to locate my status in the system and relay the info. to me. My appl. coord. couldn't provide me with details regarding my situation.
You should request your files through FOIPA. The agency has to provide you with all information it deems releasable and you may find out what happened. My advice to you would be to go to the FBI's website, download the FOIPA form, fill it out and fax it to the agency requesting your file as soon as possible. It could take months to get your file, so you may not want to wait around. The FBI hiring process can be very scattered with different offices handling different aspects. Don't even attempt to make sense of it. Just a total guess here, but based on the agent asking questions about your credit, that sounds like where the problem may have been. At the very least, you can be glad you didn't foolishly submit to their useless, stupid polygraph process. Good luck and I hope you are able to resolve the issue.
Posted by rochetag
- Jan 14, 2006, 02:29 AMWell now that throws me for a loop.
The situation was that I applied for this job, then my status changed as qualified and then referred to hiring official. A week later I get a call from HQ to come in for an interview(June 7th). I meet the mangers and was told that the background will start when my forms are sent to them. A week later then I receive the job offer contingent on the background(June 17th). After a month I get a call to come in for my security interview and drug testing(July 27th) I waited 3 hours before being told the agent who was going to conduct the interview was no longer my point-of-contact. A upervisor got upset and grabbed the first agent he could to get me through and apologized numerous times. Two weeks later I called the person who did my drug testing because she stated she was now the point-of-contact. She said it was a good thing I called because she had not put me in the system yet(August 12th). Two weeks later I get a call from HQ that my status had changed from alternate to the regular status(August 24th). In October I get a call from the agent who did my security interview and asked a couple of questions about my credit record. After that I did not hear anything until I sent an email to the original contact on the vacancy announcement and she said that I was denied in August. So I then called the woman who did my drug testing and she verified the information and she was confused as to why I did not receive a letter. The system stated no letter went out but she said something about my misdemeanor and new information being found. I can accurately state no new information was found because I provided copies of all county records regarding the misdemeanor to the agent after my secuirty interview. He asked why I didn't bring those in with me and I stated that I was told not to bring anything with me, he then stated to fax the information to him when I can. I have copies of the fax record to proves it, but I hope it doesn't come down to that.
As far as the start date, I was told it was scheduled to begin in February by the manager who interviewed me originally. I hope this info helps.
The situation was that I applied for this job, then my status changed as qualified and then referred to hiring official. A week later I get a call from HQ to come in for an interview(June 7th). I meet the mangers and was told that the background will start when my forms are sent to them. A week later then I receive the job offer contingent on the background(June 17th). After a month I get a call to come in for my security interview and drug testing(July 27th) I waited 3 hours before being told the agent who was going to conduct the interview was no longer my point-of-contact. A upervisor got upset and grabbed the first agent he could to get me through and apologized numerous times. Two weeks later I called the person who did my drug testing because she stated she was now the point-of-contact. She said it was a good thing I called because she had not put me in the system yet(August 12th). Two weeks later I get a call from HQ that my status had changed from alternate to the regular status(August 24th). In October I get a call from the agent who did my security interview and asked a couple of questions about my credit record. After that I did not hear anything until I sent an email to the original contact on the vacancy announcement and she said that I was denied in August. So I then called the woman who did my drug testing and she verified the information and she was confused as to why I did not receive a letter. The system stated no letter went out but she said something about my misdemeanor and new information being found. I can accurately state no new information was found because I provided copies of all county records regarding the misdemeanor to the agent after my secuirty interview. He asked why I didn't bring those in with me and I stated that I was told not to bring anything with me, he then stated to fax the information to him when I can. I have copies of the fax record to proves it, but I hope it doesn't come down to that.
As far as the start date, I was told it was scheduled to begin in February by the manager who interviewed me originally. I hope this info helps.
Posted by opp
- Jan 14, 2006, 02:08 AMrochetag,
I am not too familiar with the FBI process but from reading a lot of the posting in this website, you don't get into the FBI without taking a polygraph examination; there is no way around it. Another point, investigators have no knowledge about start dates or can make any decisions in the hiring process. They collect information on you and sumit them to the agency. A lot of what you saying here is out of place and perhaps George is better familiar with the FIB process. BI completed without polygraph? Investigators telling people you got the job??
Opp
I am not too familiar with the FBI process but from reading a lot of the posting in this website, you don't get into the FBI without taking a polygraph examination; there is no way around it. Another point, investigators have no knowledge about start dates or can make any decisions in the hiring process. They collect information on you and sumit them to the agency. A lot of what you saying here is out of place and perhaps George is better familiar with the FIB process. BI completed without polygraph?
Investigators telling people you got the job??Opp
Posted by polyfool
- Jan 14, 2006, 12:55 AMQuote from: rochetag on Jan 14, 2006, 12:36 AMNo, I never got as far as the polygraph. The point-of-contact stated that the background was completed. I know that they went pretty far because alot of people called me after they were contacted with surprise. The investigators even told a few that I already had the job, but this(BI) was just a formality. There were a few questions that came up during my PSI, which was because the investigators made notes on locations dates or names. My impression was they just wanted verification. Then in October I get another call which asked a couple of other questions, but ones that I already addressed earlier.
I was suppose to start work this February and the only reason I called was I wanted to find out how much longer it would be, that is when I was told that I was finished.
rochetag,
It appears that your processing went out of order because your polygraph should have been conducted prior to the initiation of your background investigation. Wasn't your POC baffled by this? It is certainly not typical and rarely done. Others on this board can attest to this. Did you actually receive a start date and if so, how did you receive it without taking the poly? Did you reach adjuducation? Did your POC tell you why the clearance was denied? I don't know what to tell you , but the fact that investigators made notes and you were contacted with questions doesn't sound good--sounds like they may have found some inconsistencies or had some concerns? Your case is definitely puzzling? Perhaps, someone else could offer some insight to what may have occurred in your case and a possible recourse?
Request your files through FOIPA. They could provide the answers you're looking for.
Posted by rochetag
- Jan 14, 2006, 12:36 AMNo, I never got as far as the polygraph. The point-of-contact stated that the background was completed. I know that they went pretty far because alot of people called me after they were contacted with surprise. The investigators even told a few that I already had the job, but this(BI) was just a formality. There were a few questions that came up during my PSI, which was because the investigators made notes on locations dates or names. My impression was they just wanted verification. Then in October I get another call which asked a couple of other questions, but ones that I already addressed earlier.
I was suppose to start work this February and the only reason I called was I wanted to find out how much longer it would be, that is when I was told that I was finished.
I was suppose to start work this February and the only reason I called was I wanted to find out how much longer it would be, that is when I was told that I was finished.