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Posted by llamatippin
- Dec 07, 2005, 09:01 AMi will be taking the test in a few weeks... i'll let everybody know how it goes.
it's quite funny being attacked and labeled a "pervert" for something that 90% of boys my age at the time were doing. and there is this thing called spam, misleading links, or friends sending obnoxioius picture emails as pranks. To be judged so quickly and harshly by an examiner frightens me.... just who am I dealing with. How can these polygraphs be fair?
I was totally honest the first time I took the test, yet I failed. This time I need to KNOW how to pass the test, and get this- even when I plan to tell the whole entire truth the whole entire time.
It's funny how while even telling the truth, i need to use counter measures just to pass.
it's quite funny being attacked and labeled a "pervert" for something that 90% of boys my age at the time were doing. and there is this thing called spam, misleading links, or friends sending obnoxioius picture emails as pranks. To be judged so quickly and harshly by an examiner frightens me.... just who am I dealing with. How can these polygraphs be fair?
I was totally honest the first time I took the test, yet I failed. This time I need to KNOW how to pass the test, and get this- even when I plan to tell the whole entire truth the whole entire time.
It's funny how while even telling the truth, i need to use counter measures just to pass.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Nov 26, 2005, 02:56 PMNoNombre,
You repeatedly label LlamaTippin a "pervert." However, by contemporary American sexual mores, while an 18-year old male who has sexual relations with a 15-year-old girlfriend may be guilty of statutory rape, he is not considered a pervert. Indeed, in many states, with parental consent, LlamaTippin could have legally married his 15-year-old girlfriend.
As for accidentally running across bestiality pornography on the Internet, I can vouch that it's possible. I came across it on a now-defunct message board that was devoted to the topic of FBI employment. Someone posted the images to the message board, and unsuspecting visitors were treated to bestiality porn without having sought it out.
It is indeed true that if any of the questions I identified as likely "control" questions were in fact considered relevant, and LlamaTippin were to augment reactions to them, that this would likely result in his failing this invalid test. However, I see little basis for the expectation that the three questions I identified as likely "controls" could be considered relevant in the context of a post-conviction sex offender polygraph examination. If you disagree, please explain.
Given LlamaTippin's past polygraph experience (he avers that he was completely honest but failed) and the kind of bias he might expect from a polygrapher like yourself, he would probably be wise to 1) use countermeasures and 2) not mention the bestiality porn.
You repeatedly label LlamaTippin a "pervert." However, by contemporary American sexual mores, while an 18-year old male who has sexual relations with a 15-year-old girlfriend may be guilty of statutory rape, he is not considered a pervert. Indeed, in many states, with parental consent, LlamaTippin could have legally married his 15-year-old girlfriend.
As for accidentally running across bestiality pornography on the Internet, I can vouch that it's possible. I came across it on a now-defunct message board that was devoted to the topic of FBI employment. Someone posted the images to the message board, and unsuspecting visitors were treated to bestiality porn without having sought it out.
It is indeed true that if any of the questions I identified as likely "control" questions were in fact considered relevant, and LlamaTippin were to augment reactions to them, that this would likely result in his failing this invalid test. However, I see little basis for the expectation that the three questions I identified as likely "controls" could be considered relevant in the context of a post-conviction sex offender polygraph examination. If you disagree, please explain.
Given LlamaTippin's past polygraph experience (he avers that he was completely honest but failed) and the kind of bias he might expect from a polygrapher like yourself, he would probably be wise to 1) use countermeasures and 2) not mention the bestiality porn.
Posted by nonombre
- Nov 26, 2005, 02:02 PMQuote from: George W. Maschke on Nov 25, 2005, 10:51 AMAs I understand it, in a "full-disclosure" polygraph the examinee is questioned at length about a broad range of sexual behavior. The main purpose is to elicit new information, especially about any unreported victims. The procedure involves the asking of many questions that will not be specifically asked while connected to the polygraph instrument.
As for the questions you listed, three would most likely be "control" questions if asked during the "in-test" phase of a polygraph examination:
Have you robbed or stolen from friends or family?
Have you intimidated, threatened or bullied others?
Are you open with your feelings?
The other questions would probably relevant.
Mr. Maschke,
I have not posted for awhile but I thought I would jump in on this one particular string.
To start off with, I would like to comment on the collective efforts by the honorable participants of this string to assist a convicted pervert in his attempt to circumvent the post-conviction polygraph process. However, I will not spend any significant time doing this because I believe I have a more constructive point to make then to dwell on exactly which segment of the "public" this site is actually serving. That being said...I do wish this particular convict would explain to all of us exactly how one "accidentally" trips over bestiality on the Internet? I am on the Internet virtually every day, and I have never once ran into bestiality. I guess I just haven't had that particular "accident".
That being said, I do have a more objective point to make and here it is: The main effort of this string was apparently to try and single out the "control" questions on this convict's polygraph examination. I would guess this would be in order to apply some sort of countermeasure to the controls and thereby "beat" the polygraph test. After some discussion, you jumped in George, and offered your "expertise" in singling out what you believed to be the controls.
Okay, so this pervert takes your advice and attacks the questions you believe to be the "control" questions and one or more of them actually turn out to be relevant questions...
Your advice has just caused this pervert to fail the polygraph examination that much quicker and he goes back to jail where he belongs...
On second thought Mr. Maschke; this could truly be a "public service" website after all.
Food for thought?
Good day.
NoNombre
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Nov 25, 2005, 10:51 AMAs I understand it, in a "full-disclosure" polygraph the examinee is questioned at length about a broad range of sexual behavior. The main purpose is to elicit new information, especially about any unreported victims. The procedure involves the asking of many questions that will not be specifically asked while connected to the polygraph instrument.
As for the questions you listed, three would most likely be "control" questions if asked during the "in-test" phase of a polygraph examination:
Have you robbed or stolen from friends or family?
Have you intimidated, threatened or bullied others?
Are you open with your feelings?
The other questions would probably relevant.
As for the questions you listed, three would most likely be "control" questions if asked during the "in-test" phase of a polygraph examination:
Have you robbed or stolen from friends or family?
Have you intimidated, threatened or bullied others?
Are you open with your feelings?
The other questions would probably relevant.
Posted by llamatippin
- Nov 25, 2005, 01:53 AMi did the crime, i admitted to it, i was totally honest about everything.
they asked me if i had any other victims, i said "no" because i don't. i failed that question. sorry for the confusion.
they asked me if i had any other victims, i said "no" because i don't. i failed that question. sorry for the confusion.
Posted by Smokey
- Nov 23, 2005, 05:51 AMAlloe me to correct my last post.......A false negative is when you lie and DON't show signs of deception.........I confused myself............But if you were honest during the ploygraph "test" and "failed", it would seem to me like you would have showed signs of "deception" when admitting you did the crime...................If you did the crime, just be honest.
-Smokey
-Smokey
Posted by Smokey
- Nov 23, 2005, 05:45 AMLlama,
Those questians look more like relevant questions to me. It may be beneficial for you to download and read "The Lie Behind the Lie Detector." And I'm somewhat confused.........You said that you DID have sex with you 15 year-old GF, yet you said you took the ploygraph, were honest, and failed..........It seems that ifyou were honest and failed, you would have a false negative and therefore be potentially clear.
Those questians look more like relevant questions to me. It may be beneficial for you to download and read "The Lie Behind the Lie Detector." And I'm somewhat confused.........You said that you DID have sex with you 15 year-old GF, yet you said you took the ploygraph, were honest, and failed..........It seems that ifyou were honest and failed, you would have a false negative and therefore be potentially clear.
Posted by llamatippin
- Nov 23, 2005, 04:09 AMWhen I was 18 I had sex with my 15yearold girlfriend, long long story but I got charged with statuatory rape.
I did 3 years in prison.
But before I got sentenced I took a polygraph, I was completely honest but I failed. This "dishonesty" swayed the judge from probation to prison sentence.
So now i'm in sex offender treatment and about to take a full-disclosure poly, if i fail i will be in treatment for 2 years and it will cost me alot of money, plus my freedoms will be limited. And i'll have to keep on taking it until i get a "honest" pass. $250 a pop ain't fun.
So here are some of the questions I believe are control questions. tell me what you think.
Have you robbed or stolen from friends or family?
have you ever exposed your breasts, genitals, or buttocks?
Where you ever the victim of bullies?
Have you intimidated, threatened or bullied others?
Are you open with your feelings?
Have you heard about ways to beat the polygraph?
Do you admit to all elements of your offense?
Do you use alcohol or drugs?
Are you an alcoholic or drug abuser?
Do you have a history of looking at porn on computer?
from my understanding, a control question is pretty much general, something that can be answered to specify but then requestioned with "besides that, have you ever...".
For example- one of the questions is "have you ever seen beastiality porn?", and i have accidentally ran across it on the internet... so i could answer to that then when the tester asks me "besides that" would that be a control question?
as for the question "are you fully invested in your treatment?" is that irrelevant?
Thanks,
LlamaTippin
I did 3 years in prison.
But before I got sentenced I took a polygraph, I was completely honest but I failed. This "dishonesty" swayed the judge from probation to prison sentence.
So now i'm in sex offender treatment and about to take a full-disclosure poly, if i fail i will be in treatment for 2 years and it will cost me alot of money, plus my freedoms will be limited. And i'll have to keep on taking it until i get a "honest" pass. $250 a pop ain't fun.
So here are some of the questions I believe are control questions. tell me what you think.
Have you robbed or stolen from friends or family?
have you ever exposed your breasts, genitals, or buttocks?
Where you ever the victim of bullies?
Have you intimidated, threatened or bullied others?
Are you open with your feelings?
Have you heard about ways to beat the polygraph?
Do you admit to all elements of your offense?
Do you use alcohol or drugs?
Are you an alcoholic or drug abuser?
Do you have a history of looking at porn on computer?
from my understanding, a control question is pretty much general, something that can be answered to specify but then requestioned with "besides that, have you ever...".
For example- one of the questions is "have you ever seen beastiality porn?", and i have accidentally ran across it on the internet... so i could answer to that then when the tester asks me "besides that" would that be a control question?
as for the question "are you fully invested in your treatment?" is that irrelevant?
Thanks,
LlamaTippin