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Posted by George W. Maschke
- Oct 31, 2005, 02:49 AM"Chart roller" is a derogatory term used by some polygraphers to describe other polygraphers whom they believe administer hasty polygraph examinations without following generally accepted polygraph practice. However, there is no evidence that the polygraph results of a "chart roller" are any less reliable than those of the most fastidious members of the American Polygraph Association. The problem is that the underlying procedure has no scientific basis to begin with.
It matters little whether an astrologer spends five minutes or five hours consulting his star charts before offering a reading. It's all flimflam from the get-go. The same is true with regard to polygraph chartgazing.
It matters little whether an astrologer spends five minutes or five hours consulting his star charts before offering a reading. It's all flimflam from the get-go. The same is true with regard to polygraph chartgazing.
Posted by MontBell
- Oct 31, 2005, 02:29 AMI absolutely appreciate everyone's help! It makes me feel much more confident of what happened.
It is a stressful position to begin with, then throw in an absurd time table and I was racking my brain trying to figure out what the hell happened.
I appreciate everyone's confidence in that I passed.
Could someone explain what a chart roller is?
It is a stressful position to begin with, then throw in an absurd time table and I was racking my brain trying to figure out what the hell happened.
I appreciate everyone's confidence in that I passed.
Could someone explain what a chart roller is?
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Oct 30, 2005, 03:13 AMQuote from: darkcobra2005 on Oct 30, 2005, 12:44 AM25 minutes door to door is chart rolling and the examiner should be dismissed in my humble opinion, that was not a polygraph examination, it was a fraud.
All CQT polygraphy is fraud.
Posted by polyscam
- Oct 29, 2005, 07:03 PMEastwood wrote:
Well now, that certainly was a useless addition to this thread. Thank you for adding your two wooden nickels (utterly worthless).
George wrote:
In retrospect and upon re-reading the information, I agree with you in regard to question 8.
Darkcobra:
The time frame provided for the polygraph exam sounds a little short and more in line with chart roller wouldn't you agree? That is unless the time frame explained was limited only to the in-test.
QuoteLet's put it this way - if you speak like you spell, you're screwed.
Well now, that certainly was a useless addition to this thread. Thank you for adding your two wooden nickels (utterly worthless).
George wrote:
QuoteMontBell,
I concur with Brandon's assessment with the exception that question #8 was likely a sacrifice relevant question, not a "control" question.
In retrospect and upon re-reading the information, I agree with you in regard to question 8.
Darkcobra:
The time frame provided for the polygraph exam sounds a little short and more in line with chart roller wouldn't you agree? That is unless the time frame explained was limited only to the in-test.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Oct 29, 2005, 05:33 AMMontBell,
I concur with Brandon's assessment with the exception that question #8 was likely a sacrifice relevant question, not a "control" question.
I concur with Brandon's assessment with the exception that question #8 was likely a sacrifice relevant question, not a "control" question.
Posted by Eastwood
- Oct 27, 2005, 11:22 PMLet's put it this way - if you speak like you spell, you're screwed.
Posted by polyscam
- Oct 27, 2005, 05:05 PMMontbell wrote: (quotation includes numbers I have added)
I will number your questions according to their order. The control questions were numbers 3, 4, 5 & 8. All others would seem to be relevant questions. George, Darkcobra, Dr. Richardson and some others may provide information to the contrary which would be better relied upon (all have more knowledge regarding polygraph than myself).
Well this certainly is not an acceptable time frame for any test of which I am aware. Minimum is supposed to be 90 minutes. You will probably be fine as it would appear your examiner doesn't take his/her job seriously (not that it would really matter if he/she did).
QuoteWe then went over the questions he would ask, only 8 of them.
1. Used drugs since 2000?
2. commited a felony I didnt get caught for?
3. Lie to get someone else in trouble?
4. Lie about anything serious? (I made him define serious, ie burning down a building)
5. Before 2004 have you stolen anything over 5 dollars in value? (why before 2004? Is it an irrelevant piece of info?)
6. Stolen anything from an employer worth over 50 dollars at one time?
7. Sold drugs?
8. Do I intend to lie on this test?
I will number your questions according to their order. The control questions were numbers 3, 4, 5 & 8. All others would seem to be relevant questions. George, Darkcobra, Dr. Richardson and some others may provide information to the contrary which would be better relied upon (all have more knowledge regarding polygraph than myself).
Quote25 minutes, door to door.
Well this certainly is not an acceptable time frame for any test of which I am aware. Minimum is supposed to be 90 minutes. You will probably be fine as it would appear your examiner doesn't take his/her job seriously (not that it would really matter if he/she did).
Posted by anxietyguy
- Oct 27, 2005, 04:40 PMI believe the question of "lying to get someone in trouble" is indeed a control question. As well as lied about anything serious. Others may correct me if i am wrong.
Anxiety
Anxiety
Posted by MontBell
- Oct 27, 2005, 02:59 PMI had my Poly yesterday, and I have no idea how it went.... So any expert opinion will be greatly appreciated.
I arrived early, wanted until the candidate in front of me was finished, where I was the called to the back for the beginning of the interegation. He ran over the basic question, where he wrote down the questions and answer on a piece of paper (name, age, place of birth, etc...) And very strangely, none of this was used once I was attached to the Machine....
why?
He then proceeded to explain the machine to me, and how accurate it was. How he had saved the innocent from being convicted, 98% of liars are caught, the other 2% are stoned or drunk, yada yada yada.
We then went over the questions he would ask, only 8 of them.
Used drugs since 2000?
commited a felony I didnt get caught for?
Lie to get someone else in trouble?
Lie about anything serious? (I made him define serious, ie burning down a building)
Before 2004 have you stolen anything over 5 dollars in value? (why before 2004? Is it an irrelevant piece of info?)
Stolen anything from an employer worth over 50 dollars at one time?
Sold drugs?
Do I intend to lie on this test?
That is it, no more, no less. I gave him my answers, and then he proceeded to attach the machine to me.
I focused on something on the wall very intently, and the test began. He asked the 8 question with about 30 seconds between each one. After the first round he let the pressure out of the BP cuff, and let "blood go back to my arm." But I think he just wanted to see if my breathing pattern changed when I "wasnt being tested. " (am I correct in that logic?)
The test started again, same questions, different order. followed by 45 seconds of my being attached but "not being tested anymore" (again, I think to see if my breathing pattern changed)
And that was it, he took the machine off of me, said I did fine, he didnt see any problem, walked me out and I was gone. 25 minutes, door to door.
No Stim test, no hammering on one particular topic, no true control questions, I dont know what to think. He said that he thought i passed just fine, but to be fair he had to get another polygrapher to look at the chart, congratulated me. But that is the exact same thing I heard he say to the candidate he was walking out right before I walked in!
So I dont know anything! what is the word?
I arrived early, wanted until the candidate in front of me was finished, where I was the called to the back for the beginning of the interegation. He ran over the basic question, where he wrote down the questions and answer on a piece of paper (name, age, place of birth, etc...) And very strangely, none of this was used once I was attached to the Machine....
why?
He then proceeded to explain the machine to me, and how accurate it was. How he had saved the innocent from being convicted, 98% of liars are caught, the other 2% are stoned or drunk, yada yada yada.
We then went over the questions he would ask, only 8 of them.
Used drugs since 2000?
commited a felony I didnt get caught for?
Lie to get someone else in trouble?
Lie about anything serious? (I made him define serious, ie burning down a building)
Before 2004 have you stolen anything over 5 dollars in value? (why before 2004? Is it an irrelevant piece of info?)
Stolen anything from an employer worth over 50 dollars at one time?
Sold drugs?
Do I intend to lie on this test?
That is it, no more, no less. I gave him my answers, and then he proceeded to attach the machine to me.
I focused on something on the wall very intently, and the test began. He asked the 8 question with about 30 seconds between each one. After the first round he let the pressure out of the BP cuff, and let "blood go back to my arm." But I think he just wanted to see if my breathing pattern changed when I "wasnt being tested. " (am I correct in that logic?)
The test started again, same questions, different order. followed by 45 seconds of my being attached but "not being tested anymore" (again, I think to see if my breathing pattern changed)
And that was it, he took the machine off of me, said I did fine, he didnt see any problem, walked me out and I was gone. 25 minutes, door to door.
No Stim test, no hammering on one particular topic, no true control questions, I dont know what to think. He said that he thought i passed just fine, but to be fair he had to get another polygrapher to look at the chart, congratulated me. But that is the exact same thing I heard he say to the candidate he was walking out right before I walked in!
So I dont know anything! what is the word?