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Posted by polyscam
- Sep 10, 2005, 05:59 PMWell Buzz,
If you don't want the answers you are receiving maybe you should not ask such veiled questions. You leave quite a bit up for interpretation, that's you own doing. Explain yourself a bit better. Also, a question such as what exactly do they ask you on a polygraph has hundreds of possibilities. So the exact questions you will be asked cannot be determined by anyone here. Those of us that have taken a polygraph test can only tell you about our experience and the subject matter that was discussed. I suppose you'd get pissed off if you were given an exact answer and then received different questions. Go ahead and lie. Enjoy it, lie about everything. It's your future.
If you don't want the answers you are receiving maybe you should not ask such veiled questions. You leave quite a bit up for interpretation, that's you own doing. Explain yourself a bit better. Also, a question such as what exactly do they ask you on a polygraph has hundreds of possibilities. So the exact questions you will be asked cannot be determined by anyone here. Those of us that have taken a polygraph test can only tell you about our experience and the subject matter that was discussed. I suppose you'd get pissed off if you were given an exact answer and then received different questions. Go ahead and lie. Enjoy it, lie about everything. It's your future.
Posted by buzzlightyear
- Sep 09, 2005, 10:30 PMThats why I fly off the handle, everyone just assumes, DONT ASSUME. I simply ask a question, and never get an answer , thast what makes me upset. I dont know how it goes from asking a question to making it seem like im hiding something, or telling me something I already know.So far this has happned more than once. Sorry if I seem upset, Im not mad to the point that im going to kil someone, Im simply upset that my questions are still un-answered. By the way, one simple lie is not going to" bear fruit in the future"...career over. One more thing, im very professional and I take alot of crap from people before I get upset. Not to name names, but ive recieved emails from those on here telling me this and that, and that im a bad person because im going to lie to the police....What the hell is up with that? I know who I am, Im not a bad person, and havent done anything wrong. Im going to ask a favor from everybody on this site. Dont assume anything about me, you dont know me, so dont talk to me and give me advice like im a stupid criminal. Im not here to cheat my way out of my past. IVE DONE NOTHING WRONG. Im sorry if ive made anyone on here mad, but you have to understand where im comming from.
Posted by polyscam
- Sep 09, 2005, 09:42 PMbuzzlightyear wrote:
Ummm...down boy. If you would care to re-read my last post to which this is your response please do so. Take note that I mentioned disqualifiers which any agency would be more than willing to share with you. You never stated what exactly you are so ready to lie about. From the available statements I interpreted it to mean that you meant lying to something relevant (i.e. - drug use, past criminal behavior, etc.). Keep in mind though that lying is perceived as an integrity issue. Most agencies will mention integrity as a top criterion. No I do not feel you are unworthy of becoming a PO because you read TLBTLD. If I felt that way, I would have to conclude that I too am unworthy.
I will be upfront regarding my association with this website during my upcoming examination. Good, bad or indifferent I'll be truthful. I do realize in doing so I risk not being hired, biases are a bitch. But in the end God and I will both know I was honest even if the machine and its operator beg to differ.
You may want to refrain from flying-off-the-handle in your polygraph examination as you have done here in your relatively few posts.
BTW: advice and opinions are synonomus.
Quotewell the only thing im going to have to lie about, is about this place and all its information. Im just what there looking for, ive never done anything wrong, nor have I even tried drugs. The only thing ive done is countless HUNDREDS of hours volunteered to my city, and to my county in the miliatry. Little did I know that after I started reading about polygraphs, would I come across "the lie behind the lie detector" Its my own fault for learning, but now I have no choice but to lie when they ask me if I know about countermeasers ect. So what your telling me is that just because ive read a book, you deem me no worthy of becoming a peace officer? My only responce to that is FUCK YOU. Sorry but thats the honest truth. Sorry if i offend you, but not everybody looking to cheat the polygraph is a bad person, nor does it mean they have done anything wrong. There are times that its better to lie then to tell the truth you should know that by now. If I dont lie, im just going to be thinking of all the things ive learned, and yeah ill probibly fail BECAUSE ILL BE THINKING TOO MUCH. So if your wife was 10 months preg. and she asked you if you if you thought she was fat, what would you say? Yes you would be a complete asshole if you did. Sometimes it is beter to lie then to tell the truth. If I simply tell the truth on my polygraph, Im going to at the very least make the test come out inconclusive because I wont be able to relax. So lay off me please, all im trying to do is get advice, not nonsense and opinions from people who dont know me. Thats a real pet peave of mine.
Ummm...down boy. If you would care to re-read my last post to which this is your response please do so. Take note that I mentioned disqualifiers which any agency would be more than willing to share with you. You never stated what exactly you are so ready to lie about. From the available statements I interpreted it to mean that you meant lying to something relevant (i.e. - drug use, past criminal behavior, etc.). Keep in mind though that lying is perceived as an integrity issue. Most agencies will mention integrity as a top criterion. No I do not feel you are unworthy of becoming a PO because you read TLBTLD. If I felt that way, I would have to conclude that I too am unworthy.
I will be upfront regarding my association with this website during my upcoming examination. Good, bad or indifferent I'll be truthful. I do realize in doing so I risk not being hired, biases are a bitch. But in the end God and I will both know I was honest even if the machine and its operator beg to differ.
You may want to refrain from flying-off-the-handle in your polygraph examination as you have done here in your relatively few posts.
BTW: advice and opinions are synonomus.
Posted by buzzlightyear
- Sep 09, 2005, 09:23 PMwell the only thing im going to have to lie about, is about this place and all its information. Im just what there looking for, ive never done anything wrong, nor have I even tried drugs. The only thing ive done is countless HUNDREDS of hours volunteered to my city, and to my county in the miliatry. Little did I know that after I started reading about polygraphs, would I come across "the lie behind the lie detector" Its my own fault for learning, but now I have no choice but to lie when they ask me if I know about countermeasers ect. So what your telling me is that just because ive read a book, you deem me no worthy of becoming a peace officer? My only responce to that is FUCK YOU. Sorry but thats the honest truth. Sorry if i offend you, but not everybody looking to cheat the polygraph is a bad person, nor does it mean they have done anything wrong. There are times that its better to lie then to tell the truth you should know that by now. If I dont lie, im just going to be thinking of all the things ive learned, and yeah ill probibly fail BECAUSE ILL BE THINKING TOO MUCH. So if your wife was 10 months preg. and she asked you if you if you thought she was fat, what would you say? Yes??? you would be a complete asshole if you did. Sometimes it is beter to lie then to tell the truth. If I simply tell the truth on my polygraph, Im going to at the very least make the test come out inconclusive because I wont be able to relax. So lay off me please, all im trying to do is get advice, not nonsense and opinions from people who dont know me. Thats a real pet peave of mine.
Posted by polyscam
- Sep 09, 2005, 08:39 PMbuzlightyear,
My earlier statement was a bit hazy. If you are aware of the hiring agency's standards and are within parameters I see no reason to lie. Now, that being said, I see no reason to lie if you are not within acceptable parameters, for that matter I see no reason to apply at all. While I believe the polygraph to be of no value (rather a detriment) in the screening process, I surely do not believe it is acceptable to lie to obtain a position which one is not qualified to hold according to the established guidelines set forth by the hiring agency or state certification board. Please keep in mind that if you do lie during application processing there is the possibilty the lie will bear fruit in the future...career over.
My earlier statement was a bit hazy. If you are aware of the hiring agency's standards and are within parameters I see no reason to lie. Now, that being said, I see no reason to lie if you are not within acceptable parameters, for that matter I see no reason to apply at all. While I believe the polygraph to be of no value (rather a detriment) in the screening process, I surely do not believe it is acceptable to lie to obtain a position which one is not qualified to hold according to the established guidelines set forth by the hiring agency or state certification board. Please keep in mind that if you do lie during application processing there is the possibilty the lie will bear fruit in the future...career over.
Posted by buzzlightyear
- Sep 09, 2005, 08:11 PMnothing****** to hide..... sorry but im still tired
Posted by buzzlightyear
- Sep 09, 2005, 08:10 PMWierd you said that, Was looking into the Maricopa county sheriff, I really like sheriff Joe A. 
Hey dont worry I have nother to hide, Its just that ever since ive read all this stuff, it kinda scared the hell out of me...for a while, until I understood it. But I guess its my own fault for learning, but at least now I know I will pass.
Hey dont worry I have nother to hide, Its just that ever since ive read all this stuff, it kinda scared the hell out of me...for a while, until I understood it. But I guess its my own fault for learning, but at least now I know I will pass.Posted by polyscam
- Sep 09, 2005, 07:39 PMbuzzlightyear wrote in part:
That's great news. Please tell me your not in the Phoenix Metro Area.
Quotewell lets see, Im going to lie...
That's great news. Please tell me your not in the Phoenix Metro Area.
Posted by buzzlightyear
- Sep 09, 2005, 06:30 PMwell lets see, Im going to lie, AND IM GOING TO PASS. Why are you so negative. Hell I think your one of those evil polygraphers lol
Posted by polyscam
- Sep 09, 2005, 05:48 PMretcopper wrote:
Your question and possible answer would lead the reader to believe that simply by stating one has viewed the information on this site would cause a negative bias against the examinee on the part of the examiner. Now, that's not quite fair either, is it?
QuoteBuzz:
Here is something else to worry about. They arer going to ask you if you visited this site. What are you going to say? You visited to learn how to beat the polygraph? Good luck.
Your question and possible answer would lead the reader to believe that simply by stating one has viewed the information on this site would cause a negative bias against the examinee on the part of the examiner. Now, that's not quite fair either, is it?
Posted by retcopper
- Sep 09, 2005, 05:34 PMBuzz:
Here is something else to worry about. They arer going to ask you if you visited this site. What are you going to say? You visited to learn how to beat the polygraph? Good luck.
Here is something else to worry about. They arer going to ask you if you visited this site. What are you going to say? You visited to learn how to beat the polygraph? Good luck.
Posted by buzzlightyear
- Sep 09, 2005, 04:40 AMWOW, SORRY ABOUT THE SPELLING IN MY LAST POST, just to let you know ive almost been up for 24 hours. Im trying to get back into a normal sleeping pattern from being a night owl, thus all the missing/mispelled words. Sorry! 
Posted by buzzlightyear
- Sep 09, 2005, 04:37 AMYeah I am serious dimas, You dont know how many times ive got the run around when all im doing is asking a simple question. Yes I very much know that there are different question is differnent areas, but noone has yet to writye down all the questions they were asked. Im primary interested in from city to stae poly. questions in california, nevada ect. Ive talked to a few cops around here and all they seem to want to tell me, "or remeber", are the questions having to do with sex.(laughing) One told me that they'll ask if you,or have been with a hooker, ever looked at child porn, stuff of that nature. Those questions dont bug me. WHat bugs me is not knowing the rest, or even a General idea. Geroge thanks for the info you gave, even tho it waqs at the federal level, it still helped me a liltte bit. Im looking for those who have been through the procees here in the west coast that will share there story with me. Also the name of the department if you dont mind.....THANKS
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Sep 09, 2005, 02:52 AMSee Chapter 3 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector for a no-bullshit explanation of polygraph procedure, including examples of the kinds of questions typically used in law enforcement pre-employment screening.
You can also get it straight from the horse's mouth in the Department of Defense Polygraph Institute's Law-Enforcement Pre-Employment Test examiner's guide. It explains the polygraph screening procedure used by federal law enforcement agencies, which has also been adopted by some municipal agencies:
http://antipolygraph.org/documents/dodpi-lepet.pdf
You can also get it straight from the horse's mouth in the Department of Defense Polygraph Institute's Law-Enforcement Pre-Employment Test examiner's guide. It explains the polygraph screening procedure used by federal law enforcement agencies, which has also been adopted by some municipal agencies:
http://antipolygraph.org/documents/dodpi-lepet.pdf
Posted by dimas
- Sep 08, 2005, 11:29 PMAre you for real?
First off, you have a real crappy attitude, seems like you need an adjustment there especially considering how stupid your arguement and question really is.
Second, the question you are asking has hundreds of different answers. Kind of like asking "I want to know what mexican restaurants put in their tacos" well, it can be a crap load of different things, because each restaurant does things differently, just like each department and polygrapher will ask different questions or focus on different parts of you life and history.
Finally, in answer to your question, I think George has done an amazing job at gathering a variety of resources such as the DOD manual and the TLBTLD which I suggest you not be lazy and READ as they will provide you with an idea of the kind of questions asked.
First off, you have a real crappy attitude, seems like you need an adjustment there especially considering how stupid your arguement and question really is.
Second, the question you are asking has hundreds of different answers. Kind of like asking "I want to know what mexican restaurants put in their tacos" well, it can be a crap load of different things, because each restaurant does things differently, just like each department and polygrapher will ask different questions or focus on different parts of you life and history.
Finally, in answer to your question, I think George has done an amazing job at gathering a variety of resources such as the DOD manual and the TLBTLD which I suggest you not be lazy and READ as they will provide you with an idea of the kind of questions asked.