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Posted by Fred F.
- May 28, 2005, 01:12 AMQuote from: nunyun on May 27, 2005, 02:42 AM
how long a boot? I still am........
Nunyun,
You will travel far with your work ethic. You already seem very seasoned for your time in. I wish you continued success.
Fred F.
Posted by nunyun
- May 27, 2005, 02:42 AMFred.
F.A.T.S. is a nice piece of equipment but only utilized at the academy and about once a year after that. We have a "Combat Town" and shoot simunitions. Video is nice but nothing gets your adrenaline running like the sting of the sims.
FTO's years ago were at times only on the road two years out from the academy but now I think you have to be out on the street for at least five years or so......how long a boot? I still am........
F.A.T.S. is a nice piece of equipment but only utilized at the academy and about once a year after that. We have a "Combat Town" and shoot simunitions. Video is nice but nothing gets your adrenaline running like the sting of the sims.
FTO's years ago were at times only on the road two years out from the academy but now I think you have to be out on the street for at least five years or so......how long a boot? I still am........
Posted by Fred F.
- May 26, 2005, 09:09 PMAnxietyguy,
The FATS system is great technology! I just wonder how many departments utilize it. At the SO they have the laser village, But this seems far superior to that
Fred F.
The FATS system is great technology! I just wonder how many departments utilize it. At the SO they have the laser village, But this seems far superior to that
Fred F.
Posted by anxietyguy
- May 26, 2005, 02:16 AMIn regards to the LE training for your everyday patrol officer I have found the Firearms Training Systems to be the best training tool. Commonly known as FATS it is a live video screen which places you in life like situations; i.e. school shooting, armed subjects, and domestic disputes.
A third party controls the reaction of the subject on screen and you actually fire your own simulated service weapon. There is also a machine that pans your movements and fires rubber bullets at you while responding to the situations. By far the best training I have ever had. Also gives you a video walk through of where your shots landed and which ones would be fatal hits.
A third party controls the reaction of the subject on screen and you actually fire your own simulated service weapon. There is also a machine that pans your movements and fires rubber bullets at you while responding to the situations. By far the best training I have ever had. Also gives you a video walk through of where your shots landed and which ones would be fatal hits.
Posted by Fred F.
- May 26, 2005, 12:36 AMQuote from: nunyun on May 25, 2005, 12:47 AMI wear "Dark Blue". You have to want that constant training beyond the academy to hone that muscle memory when things go to shit.....Not to mention the "winning attitude". Me I just want to make it home to Momma and the baby every night
Stay Safe......
Nunyun,
In reference to "Dark Blue" How long were you considered a boot? and how many years did your FTO (P3 correct?) have in the streets before being considered for this vital training? I know that in the SO many FTOS have been in the streets for a short time themselves. Shouldn't an FTO have more than a few years in the streets?
I agree with your point regarding wanting to constantly train to keep prepared. If you are involved in any special ops, constant training is the essence to successful field ops and survival. And of course, the "Winning Attitude" is what keeps you safe to go home to your family.
Fred F.
Posted by nunyun
- May 25, 2005, 12:47 AMAgree with everything you said, One thing I would hate about being a deputy is the fact that they have to do time in the jail first. It just never sat well with me so I wear "Dark Blue". You have to want that constant training beyond the academy to hone that muscle memory when things go to shit.....Not to mention the "winning attitude". Me I just want to make it home to Momma and the baby every night.......as far as the poly, I think Dimas and I have beat that horse pretty good.....I am sorry to hear about the "pot head" in the other thread though..... 
Stay Safe......
Stay Safe......
Posted by Fred F.
- May 25, 2005, 12:38 AMQuote from: nunyun on May 24, 2005, 11:40 PMNunyun,
In the case of LASD we were just having a SWAT tactics class last week and talked about this incident. I want to reiterate that I hate "Monday morning" another officers descision. With that being said I think what happend is all to common with the old adrenaline rush of the situation. It can happen to any of us. We talk and talk about that "tunnel vision" that occurs in these high stress situations but without discipline and continued training to stay calm it is easy to lose focus of the suroundings. They were so busy watching that Driver that they, obviously, lost the ability to see that crossfire coming. They do a fine job up there and unfortunately attract the attention from there past, that it makes good training videos of what not to do.
"Maverick pulls a negative 4g inverted. Although the move was succesful I think we've shown that this is a good example of what not to do"....."The defense department regrets to inform you that your son is dead because he was stupid, Great balls of fire"...........
That is why it is important to get more people hired and cut down the amount of time the deputies spend in jail. As long as the polygraph is being utilized in the manner it is, these goals seem very lofty.
The patrol training is refreshed before they hit the streets, however, the boot has to depend on his FTO to provide him the necessary insight into patrol work. This has to include potentially violent situations.
You raise a good point that you were at a SWT training session. This is why you seldom see SWT memebers make mistakes because they are constantly training and preparing for situations that can and will occur.
Patrol deputies need to have training updates at more regular intervals and it should include live training with the video updates.
As for Maverick..... Well, you can be my wingman anytime...
Fred F.
Posted by nunyun
- May 24, 2005, 11:40 PMFred,
I have read some of your post in the past but never had a chance to strike up a conversation.
In the case of LASD we were just having a SWAT tactics class last week and talked about this incident. I want to reiterate that I hate "Monday morning" another officers descision. With that being said I think what happend is all to common with the old adrenaline rush of the situation. It can happen to any of us. We talk and talk about that "tunnel vision" that occurs in these high stress situations but without discipline and continued training to stay calm it is easy to lose focus of the suroundings. They were so busy watching that Driver that they, obviously, lost the ability to see that crossfire coming. They do a fine job up there and unfortunately attract the attention from there past, that it makes good training videos of what not to do.
"Maverick pulls a negative 4g inverted. Although the move was succesful I think we've shown that this is a good example of what not to do"....."The defense department regrets to inform you that your son is dead because he was stupid, Great balls of fire"...........
I have read some of your post in the past but never had a chance to strike up a conversation.
In the case of LASD we were just having a SWAT tactics class last week and talked about this incident. I want to reiterate that I hate "Monday morning" another officers descision. With that being said I think what happend is all to common with the old adrenaline rush of the situation. It can happen to any of us. We talk and talk about that "tunnel vision" that occurs in these high stress situations but without discipline and continued training to stay calm it is easy to lose focus of the suroundings. They were so busy watching that Driver that they, obviously, lost the ability to see that crossfire coming. They do a fine job up there and unfortunately attract the attention from there past, that it makes good training videos of what not to do.
"Maverick pulls a negative 4g inverted. Although the move was succesful I think we've shown that this is a good example of what not to do"....."The defense department regrets to inform you that your son is dead because he was stupid, Great balls of fire"...........
Posted by Fred F.
- May 24, 2005, 02:45 AMQuote from: Fair Chance on May 22, 2005, 01:02 AM
Many deputies and correctional workers turn to alcohol which is an accepted "legal" intoxicant. They band together and sometimes foresake their families for fellow employees because only those who walk their footsteps understand their plight.
Fair Chance,
The pay at the SO is great for someone who may or may not ever consider higher education. A regular deputy with a little OT can make $65-70000/year.
As far as what you stated above. The SO has just put out several edicts on drinking/driving. It seems a few too many are getting arrested and luckily not hurting anybody.
You make a great point regarding drinking.
Fred F.
Posted by Fair Chance
- May 22, 2005, 01:02 AMDear Fred F.,
You raise an interesting point. The pay is not competitive, the applicant has to be "clean", and he/she has to pass a polygraph.
The same applicants have to want to work with the "untouchables" of life (high probability health risk of Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, AIDS, TB, and who knows what else). The applicants will most surely be exposed to only the "dark side" of emotions associated with illegal behavior.
Many deputies and correctional workers turn to alcohol which is an accepted "legal" intoxicant. They band together and sometimes foresake their families for fellow employees because only those who walk their footsteps understand their plight.
After all of these turmoits, the first thing to be cut is the training budget. Welcome to the typical state court deputy and correctional officer's vocation, it is not so pretty when exposed to reality.
I am always thankful that they choose to serve despite the odds.
Regards.
You raise an interesting point. The pay is not competitive, the applicant has to be "clean", and he/she has to pass a polygraph.
The same applicants have to want to work with the "untouchables" of life (high probability health risk of Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, AIDS, TB, and who knows what else). The applicants will most surely be exposed to only the "dark side" of emotions associated with illegal behavior.
Many deputies and correctional workers turn to alcohol which is an accepted "legal" intoxicant. They band together and sometimes foresake their families for fellow employees because only those who walk their footsteps understand their plight.
After all of these turmoits, the first thing to be cut is the training budget. Welcome to the typical state court deputy and correctional officer's vocation, it is not so pretty when exposed to reality.
I am always thankful that they choose to serve despite the odds.
Regards.
Posted by Fred F.
- May 21, 2005, 11:49 PMQuote from: nunyun on May 16, 2005, 10:30 PM
MEANWHILE IN SoCal.......Thanks to LASO's shoot first and ask questions later. Although I think the shoot was justified, it was the manner in which it was done does not look good for the deaprtment.
I am a little farther south and we have had several shootings, thanks to LA we stay out of the limelight. As long we make it home to our familys, that is all I care about......Summer is here in SoCal let the good times roll!
Nunyun,
If you are referring to the SUV shooting in Compton, I agree that it was justified. However, if you viewed the tape of that shooting the deps involved are SEMI- CIRCLE around the vehicle. The deputy who was shot is fortunate to be alive. We had another dep killed just about a year ago in a friendly fire incident. He left behind an baby who will never know her daddy.
The Sheriff is trying to perform major damage control by still crying bad training. But you have to be cognizant of the caliber of people you hire.
The LASO poly failure rate is about 75%. Many people hired by the SO are very YOUNG (21-25) and just guessing most are NOT educated beyond high school. You get what you pay for after these kids spend 5-7 years sitting around in the jails waiting for their patrol school and only being trained and refeshed on jail ops. These deps hit the streets and when they get in the mix with a situation with deadly potential, well you saw the results.
As long as the LASD uses the polygraph as their primary screening device, they will never have the amount of people they need to do the job. The LASD just got a huge influx of cash from the Board of Supervisors to open closed jails and hire more deps. But when they speak of hiring 500 in a year, not going to happen, always said, never delivered.
Fred F.
Posted by polyscam
- May 17, 2005, 12:36 AMIn the last week there have been a number of officers KIA. The shooting in Denver really pisses me off. Anyway, wear the 'ole kevlar and cover your head.
Posted by nunyun
- May 16, 2005, 10:30 PMQuote from: Brandon Hall on May 13, 2005, 05:06 AM
Hey nunyun,
Stay careful. We just had a Phoenix officer ruthlessly and cowardly killed while making first approach on a traffic stop. They found the little bastards today. Hope a needle in the arm is in their futures.
yeah I read that about that officer. A Pittsburgh cop was shot the other day also chasing two robbery suspects he was killed.
MEANWHILE IN SoCal.......Thanks to LASO's shoot first and ask questions later. Although I think the shoot was justified, it was the manner in which it was done does not look good for the deaprtment.
I am a little farther south and we have had several shootings, thanks to LA we stay out of the limelight. As long we make it home to our familys, that is all I care about......Summer is here in SoCal let the good times roll!
Posted by AlmostHalo
- May 13, 2005, 03:44 PMYea drug usage was part of the preemployment questionaire. Went over it before the test, passed the poly, and the examiner didn't say anything. Oh well, I think I need a few years to decide if getting shot over a speeding ticket is worth it.
Posted by polyscam
- May 13, 2005, 05:06 AMalmosthalo wrote:
Your memory is quite impressive to be able to remeber 25 individual "hits." Most agencies I have looked into want to know the number of usages as in smoking a joint, not singular puffs. Maybe have a go at counting in this manner. Your uses will probably decrease if you do so.
You said you passed the polygraph. As drug usage is a normal part of a pre-employment screen I am left to wonder. Before taking your poly did you complete a background packet with questions regarding drug history? If so were you honest on the packet? Was the packet reviewed prior to the poly? Did you know the agencies drug history guidlines? Were you truthful during your poly? Did you employ countermeasures? I ask because in my experience as an applicant this information was asked right up-front. If standards were not met, one does not proceed in the process. I don't know the particular order for your testing. My order was physical agility, written apptitude, background interview, poly - DQ.
To your question: Recent drug use is an automatic disqualifier regardless of written or physical scores. Police agencies have guidelines for past drug history. Example: Arizona POST will not certify you as a peace officer if you have smoked mj within the last three years, agencies have no say in the matter. Albuquerque PD has a requirement of 2 years since last use and they mention nothing of a maximum number of times mj can have been ingested. So I would tell you not to lose hope. However, if you want a law enforcement career you may have to expand your options beyond your first choice. That is what I have had to do because of a hack-job poly. Remember drug use will depend on each agencies requirements and POST requirements in each state.
Hey nunyun,
Stay careful. We just had a Phoenix officer ruthlessly and cowardly killed while making first approach on a traffic stop. They found the little bastards today. Hope a needle in the arm is in their futures.
Quote25 instances as in each hit as an instance,
Your memory is quite impressive to be able to remeber 25 individual "hits." Most agencies I have looked into want to know the number of usages as in smoking a joint, not singular puffs. Maybe have a go at counting in this manner. Your uses will probably decrease if you do so.
You said you passed the polygraph. As drug usage is a normal part of a pre-employment screen I am left to wonder. Before taking your poly did you complete a background packet with questions regarding drug history? If so were you honest on the packet? Was the packet reviewed prior to the poly? Did you know the agencies drug history guidlines? Were you truthful during your poly? Did you employ countermeasures? I ask because in my experience as an applicant this information was asked right up-front. If standards were not met, one does not proceed in the process. I don't know the particular order for your testing. My order was physical agility, written apptitude, background interview, poly - DQ.
To your question: Recent drug use is an automatic disqualifier regardless of written or physical scores. Police agencies have guidelines for past drug history. Example: Arizona POST will not certify you as a peace officer if you have smoked mj within the last three years, agencies have no say in the matter. Albuquerque PD has a requirement of 2 years since last use and they mention nothing of a maximum number of times mj can have been ingested. So I would tell you not to lose hope. However, if you want a law enforcement career you may have to expand your options beyond your first choice. That is what I have had to do because of a hack-job poly. Remember drug use will depend on each agencies requirements and POST requirements in each state.
Hey nunyun,
Stay careful. We just had a Phoenix officer ruthlessly and cowardly killed while making first approach on a traffic stop. They found the little bastards today. Hope a needle in the arm is in their futures.