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Posted by yatittle
 - Jan 07, 2005, 09:46 PM
Quote from: voyager1 on Jan 07, 2005, 09:03 PMthanks a lot yatittle but after visiting my doctor today i'm going to have to leave the hiring proces due to seriuos health issues so all of this really doens't matter anymore.

looks like i'll have to find a good desk job with less stress
I'm sorry to hear that. But finding out now is probably better than later. Good luck with your next endeavour.

Randy
Posted by voyager1
 - Jan 07, 2005, 09:03 PM
thanks a lot yatittle but after visiting my doctor today i'm going to have to leave the hiring proces due to seriuos health issues so all of this really doens't matter anymore.

looks like i'll have to find a good desk job with less stress
Posted by yatittle
 - Jan 07, 2005, 08:59 PM
Quote from: voyager1 on Jan 07, 2005, 04:52 PMI won't give details but lets just say i was in one of those places where they lie about their age. ( i knew i should have checked id's )

but two years later we're good friends and she's 18 now. I'm just wondering if this would just decline my application or open up a bigger can of worms.
I would be very careful with any details you give to anyone at this point. When dealing with law enforcement, I'm not sure how the breaking of this law plays into the application process. However if they have a policy of not hiring people who admit to X, Y, and Z crimes, no matter the circumstances, then you will not get hired. It is really going to depend on the liberalness of the department you are applying to.

I seriously doubt that this will be brought up into formal charges against you, assuming your violation of this law was not as serious as the crimes the law is intended to protect against (taking advantage of minors).

Personally, I would not pursue this issue with anyone related to your application, or the department. You have been honest and upfront. If you make a bigger issue of it, then they will have no choice but to explore why your conscience is so concerned with this issue, even though it's simply because you want this job so damn bad.

Law enforcement officers only see guilty consciences. Don't give them any other reasons to think you have either committed other serious offenses, or this particular offense was worse than it appears to be. People aren't perfect, and this mistake really isn't that bad. I don't see a reason why you shouldn't continue with the application process.

The process is about discovery of character. You have proven a lot about yourself by mentioning this offense. Don't make it something bigger or more worse that it is. That is their job, not yours. If they are going to make a big deal about it, then it's not under your control. What is under your control is what you tell them about the incident.

If they insist on knowing the name, location, etc .. of the minor involved in this crime, then you will have to at that point decide if the application and job is worth the gamble of not knowing why they are really trying to find out other information. But at this point, if the ages involved are the only things they know, then I would think the worst possible outcome is a tough polygraph exam and/or declined application.

All we can offer on this forum is rational speculation. Personally, if I were a sheriff and this was the only problem I had with your application, background investigation, polygraph etc.., I wouldn't have a problem hiring you. But that's me, someone who has never been part of law enforcement.

You could always call a lawyer and tell them of the circumstances as they department knows them, and ask if they can bring you up on charges. Specifically if the statute of limitations have run out (it being 2 years later and such).

Good luck!
Randy
Posted by voyager1
 - Jan 07, 2005, 04:52 PM
thank you all for your replies and unfortunately nunyun i do have thin skin so my bad for my reply.

I won't give details but lets just say i was in one of those places where they lie about their age. ( i knew i should have checked id's )

but two years later we're good friends and she's 18 now. I'm just wondering if this would just decline my application or open up a bigger can of worms.
(being paranoid is a bitch)
Posted by dimas
 - Jan 07, 2005, 07:12 AM
Quote from: Rwagner on Jan 06, 2005, 09:56 PMIf you admitted to a crime, the LAPD may open an investigation by notifying a law enforcement agency in the other state.

Richard Wagner
Attorney
www.wzlawyers.com


I'm not sure about the law in California, but in the state I work in, any case of sexual encounter with a minor must be reported within 24 hours to the CPS agency as well.  Once again there is a huge amount of factors that fit into this.  Nunyun covered it well in that an 18 year old having consentual relations with somone 1 year younger is one thing, but with someone who is 10 years old is a completely different and the agency will more than likely report you to the local authorities for an investigation into the matter to be launched.

For the record I have never known a LE officer or LE candidate that ever got hired after having admitted to selling drugs.  "experimental use" is one thing, selling/distribution is a completely different and more serious offense.

Posted by nunyun
 - Jan 07, 2005, 12:47 AM
well there you go then........Thanks
Posted by Rwagner
 - Jan 06, 2005, 09:56 PM
If you admitted to a crime, the LAPD may open an investigation by notifying a law enforcement agency in the other state.

Richard Wagner
Attorney
www.wzlawyers.com
Posted by nunyun
 - Jan 06, 2005, 08:45 PM
yeah but they still would have made great cops :'( (joke)

Eitherway The point was he asked about being held accountable for what he thinks may be statuatory rape and as you and I both stated unless he was much older and she was a child it won't make a differance and as I stated the descisions he made in the past will go to reflect on his Charracter and Judgement.  He stated he is not worried about his Charracter but from the question he asked depnding on the circumstances It most certainly will go as a reflection on his charracter.

He still has not elaborated on the circumstances or the age differance so it is hard to give an accurate answer, but we do know he is probably in the LAPD process as he eluded to.

The rest of my comments were not meant to be taken as offensive and Westerfield and Petersen were meant to be jokes but the problem with message boards are you cannot read a persons body language or true tone so many times things are taken out of context.  I have rarely tried to get into it with people when they are asking for help except I think for two times, One for a post that lacked a lot of basic english skills and I could not understand and another about some guy stereo typing cops.

Either way whats done is done so I guess Voyager will just have to stew........  I guess in the future I will have to specifically type "JOKE" next to my comments for all those who have thin skin..........
Posted by yatittle
 - Jan 06, 2005, 08:26 PM
Quote from: nunyun on Jan 06, 2005, 01:29 PMBy the way Scott Peterson and Westerfield only made one mistake maybe we should not hold thier whole past against them :-*
You are incorrect.

Scott Peterson committed more than one offense. He lied to the police, killed 2 people (mother / child), disposed of a body improperly etc..

Westerfield committed more than one offense. Murder, Kidnapping, child pornography.

Randy
Posted by nunyun
 - Jan 06, 2005, 01:29 PM
By the way Scott Peterson and Westerfield only made one mistake maybe we should not hold thier whole past against them :-*
Posted by nunyun
 - Jan 06, 2005, 01:46 AM
I already am a Police Officer Hence why I am ribbing you and laughing at the maturity level

NUNYUN= None Your Goddam Business

Relax, there was only one perfect person and they hung his ass on a cross and as I stated and the other poster as long as there was no large difference in age you have nothing to worry about.  Good luck trying to get to the other side. ;D
Posted by voyager1
 - Jan 05, 2005, 05:55 AM
Actually nunyun or whatever the hell your name is I wasn't being defensive and I never said that character wasn't a big deal.....all I was trying to say is that is that my character isn't defined by one situation in life and that everyone makes mistakes in their past. I don't care if you sit on the toilet and shit diamonds and gold all day you still aren't even halfway to being perfect.

Next time think before you reply hence becoming a police officer requires you to do so.
Posted by nunyun
 - Jan 05, 2005, 01:39 AM
Actually Charracter has everything to do with it hence becoming a police officer and I know of no one who admitted to selling drugs who is in Law Enforcement.

That is why it is a background, your past and charracter is a direct refection of who you are and the descisions you make.

Don't be so defensive you asked a question and got an answer ;)
Posted by yatittle
 - Jan 04, 2005, 08:56 PM
Quote from: voyager1 on Jan 04, 2005, 06:07 PMCharacter I can deal with.....Besides it's no worse than doing or selling drugs and some of those people still become cops.

I was just wondering if they could say "since you admitted to it we are going to charge you." I dont know maybe i'm to paranoid.
Usually if things are going to be held against you in a court of law, then you are told ahead of time. Although I wouldn't divulge any names or such during the process. Without a victim, there can not be a molestation (at least the last time I saw Law & Order this was the case).

If they start beating you to death about this admittance, I would claim the 5th on names, locations, etc..

I won't split hairs on molestation, but if you were 18 and did something to a 10 year old, your polygraph is going to be brutal. But if you were 18, and the person was 17 3/4 years old, then I doubt it will be that big of an issue.

Although the letter of the law is black and white, people can make judgements on a case by case basis when it comes to offering employment, mitigating circumstances etc..

Good luck,
Randy
Posted by voyager1
 - Jan 04, 2005, 06:07 PM
Character I can deal with.....Besides it's no worse than doing or selling drugs and some of those people still become cops.

I was just wondering if they could say "since you admitted to it we are going to charge you." I dont know maybe i'm to paranoid.