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Posted by nolehce
- Oct 13, 2004, 08:07 PMI want to say thanks for the replies and for the moral support. I am drafting my post-rejection reply letter and will send it to the FBI shortly. As I mentioned, I think a major part of my frustration with the polygraph is that it caps off a haphazard, disorganized -- and ultimately counterproductive -- FBI hiring process.
The FBI takes patriotic, well-meaning candidates, drops their applications into a black hole, treats the candidates like crap, then straps them into a chair and calls them liars. Not a good way in my opinion to build public goodwill, as evidenced by my many friends and family members who know my good character and now look at the FBI with much less respect and a fair amount of contempt.
I think the kicker to this whole nightmare was the phone call I got from the bureau -- AFTER THEY HAD ALREADY SENT THE LETTER DISQUALIFYING ME FROM AN INTEL ANALYST POSITION OVER MY POLYGRAPH RESULTS -- wondering if I would consider an operations support position. Huh?! It sure seems like one tentacle of the FBI doesn't know what the other tentacle is doing.
That sort of internal disorganization and miscommunication is downright criminal when you think of the way the FBI could similarly mishandle a person of interest in a terrorism investigation. For such incompetents to call me a liar really is galling. Anyway, that's a representative sample of my experience with the FBI.
I will now be sending my post-rejection reply letter more in the interest of "clearing my good name" than in actual expectation that they will actually grant me a second polygraph examination or interview.
The FBI takes patriotic, well-meaning candidates, drops their applications into a black hole, treats the candidates like crap, then straps them into a chair and calls them liars. Not a good way in my opinion to build public goodwill, as evidenced by my many friends and family members who know my good character and now look at the FBI with much less respect and a fair amount of contempt.
I think the kicker to this whole nightmare was the phone call I got from the bureau -- AFTER THEY HAD ALREADY SENT THE LETTER DISQUALIFYING ME FROM AN INTEL ANALYST POSITION OVER MY POLYGRAPH RESULTS -- wondering if I would consider an operations support position. Huh?! It sure seems like one tentacle of the FBI doesn't know what the other tentacle is doing.
That sort of internal disorganization and miscommunication is downright criminal when you think of the way the FBI could similarly mishandle a person of interest in a terrorism investigation. For such incompetents to call me a liar really is galling. Anyway, that's a representative sample of my experience with the FBI.
I will now be sending my post-rejection reply letter more in the interest of "clearing my good name" than in actual expectation that they will actually grant me a second polygraph examination or interview.
Posted by hanazono
- Oct 11, 2004, 03:42 PMI go thist letter about 6 weeks after my poly. AFter I already got offered another job with a new fed agency. The FBI poly was conducted AFTER my BI was complete.
I have taken a few Fed polys before with the EXACT same questions on passed those just fine. Right after the FBI poly the guy told me I had failed....I laughed and told him that was too bad but I had nothing else to say to him and left, he didnt even try to interrogate me. I was pretty much falling asleep during my poly. That standard letter seems to me that it is a result of being inconculsive simply becuase it does not state WHY you failed. I have know others where it stated that a person failed "due to not within drug policy, etc". If the letter does not specifically state why then to me the FBI didnt know why either. Even at my poly the guy could not pinpoint any specific questions.
I am writing a letter now saying that I do not agree with my results and assume they are inconclusive since no reasons were given, and since it may be inconclusive then technically I have not "failed" but was just a no pass/no fail zone. SO if asked if I have ever failed a poly I wuld say NO. I told the FBI if they want they can retest me but not to clear my name but to give the FBI another chance to change their position on the matter. During my poly no admissions were made and none will ever be made. I got a new job anyways so I could care less...to me its just another didnt make it thru the process, just as didnt pass the panel or didnt pass the med, etc.
I have taken a few Fed polys before with the EXACT same questions on passed those just fine. Right after the FBI poly the guy told me I had failed....I laughed and told him that was too bad but I had nothing else to say to him and left, he didnt even try to interrogate me. I was pretty much falling asleep during my poly. That standard letter seems to me that it is a result of being inconculsive simply becuase it does not state WHY you failed. I have know others where it stated that a person failed "due to not within drug policy, etc". If the letter does not specifically state why then to me the FBI didnt know why either. Even at my poly the guy could not pinpoint any specific questions.
I am writing a letter now saying that I do not agree with my results and assume they are inconclusive since no reasons were given, and since it may be inconclusive then technically I have not "failed" but was just a no pass/no fail zone. SO if asked if I have ever failed a poly I wuld say NO. I told the FBI if they want they can retest me but not to clear my name but to give the FBI another chance to change their position on the matter. During my poly no admissions were made and none will ever be made. I got a new job anyways so I could care less...to me its just another didnt make it thru the process, just as didnt pass the panel or didnt pass the med, etc.
Posted by G Scalabr
- Oct 11, 2004, 02:57 AMQuoteThis is the EXACT same letter I got... it's even signed by the same person! I'm still putting together my rebutal letter but I also have to calm down first.
The feelings of anger in your situation can make you feel like you don't want to deal with or even think about the situation because you are so heated that you are about to explode.
I urge both of you to put out a simple, short letter denying their charges and respectfully requesting a "re-test." This is not the place to tell them what you think of polygraphy, or even the bureau itself. You simply need to tell them that you did not lie, that the results are erroneous and that you wish to be given another polygraph.
If this turns out badly (regrettably, most do), then you can mount up and ready for battle (preferably through Mark Zaid or another competent attorney). Still, the time and place to tell them off is not at the stage you are in.
In closing, the absolute worst thing you can do is walk away because you are consumed by rage. It is a huge mistake to let that lame, dogmatic form letter be the last thing laying in a folder with your name on it.
Posted by NoWayMan
- Oct 10, 2004, 02:50 AMThis is the EXACT same letter I got... it's even signed by the same person! 
I'm still putting together my rebutal letter but I also have to calm down first. This was a major blow to my career and for a while my confidence. I've taken on a F'k them attitude and have them to thank. Hey, most of us are good, honest people and they're nothing a poly can prove or disprove about that. We're better than that, we'll get through all this and thanks to all that helped me after I failed!
I'm still putting together my rebutal letter but I also have to calm down first. This was a major blow to my career and for a while my confidence. I've taken on a F'k them attitude and have them to thank. Hey, most of us are good, honest people and they're nothing a poly can prove or disprove about that. We're better than that, we'll get through all this and thanks to all that helped me after I failed!Posted by Fair Chance
- Oct 09, 2004, 02:41 AMDear Alleged Liar,
Welcome to the wonderful world of "not being within acceptable parameters." Take a deep breathe and allow yourself some time to calm down. I know the anger of such allegations is intense. You will most probably not sleep well for the next few nights and constantly think about this. This is the anger of a person falsely accused.
Take this anger and immediately contest your results via a certified letter to Therese E. Rodrique, Chief. Challange the results and request another polygraph. I know you think the polygraph is a load of s___t but trust me, start the ball rolling. Go up the chain of command if you get a no. If your second polygraph goes bad, request another one. Go up the chain of command. Do not go away. Do not "trust that you understand the FBI's position in this matter." They make mistakes everyday. Show them that this was a mistake.
Do not allow your anger to distract you from your goal. Focus it on your goals. Prove the system wrong. Do not give up, do not give in, you are in a battle and this is a life and death decision on your integrity.
The difference between what you are and what you want to be is attitude and determination. Do not let them win by admitting defeat.
Regards.
Welcome to the wonderful world of "not being within acceptable parameters." Take a deep breathe and allow yourself some time to calm down. I know the anger of such allegations is intense. You will most probably not sleep well for the next few nights and constantly think about this. This is the anger of a person falsely accused.
Take this anger and immediately contest your results via a certified letter to Therese E. Rodrique, Chief. Challange the results and request another polygraph. I know you think the polygraph is a load of s___t but trust me, start the ball rolling. Go up the chain of command if you get a no. If your second polygraph goes bad, request another one. Go up the chain of command. Do not go away. Do not "trust that you understand the FBI's position in this matter." They make mistakes everyday. Show them that this was a mistake.
Do not allow your anger to distract you from your goal. Focus it on your goals. Prove the system wrong. Do not give up, do not give in, you are in a battle and this is a life and death decision on your integrity.
The difference between what you are and what you want to be is attitude and determination. Do not let them win by admitting defeat.
Regards.
Posted by nolehce
- Oct 07, 2004, 05:16 AMThis is the letter that the "FBIdiots" sent me. I will eventually get into the background of my own case. Right now I am too angry with these losers to even begin documenting the whole sorry saga of the FBI "hiring" process. In addition to its own inherent evil, the polygraph is also an apt metaphor for the silliness, incompetence and outright criminality of most of those who inhabit the FBI, as I have experienced them.
Al Qaida may want to see me and all other Americans dead. But one thing al Qaida has never done is label me a liar. My own government alone did that. And in doing so -- through a process rife with blatant buffoonery, the FBI has shown itself to be worthy of contempt. These guys can't handle a hiring surge, let alone a war on terror.
I am no lover of terrorists and wish to see every last one of them tracked down and killed, preferably in a painful manner. It pains me to say that despite my hatred for terrorists everywhere, I believe they take this war more seriously than our FBI does. It shows in al Qaida's recruitment, tradecraft, methodology and ideology -- all of which are morally reprehensible, but all of which are also infinitely more effective than those same elements vis-a-vis our FBI.
Face it folks -- our FBI is not worthy of this enemy. God help us all if our national security remains in the hands of these imbecile agents and their stupidity-ridden support staff.
Al Qaida may want to see me and all other Americans dead. But one thing al Qaida has never done is label me a liar. My own government alone did that. And in doing so -- through a process rife with blatant buffoonery, the FBI has shown itself to be worthy of contempt. These guys can't handle a hiring surge, let alone a war on terror.
I am no lover of terrorists and wish to see every last one of them tracked down and killed, preferably in a painful manner. It pains me to say that despite my hatred for terrorists everywhere, I believe they take this war more seriously than our FBI does. It shows in al Qaida's recruitment, tradecraft, methodology and ideology -- all of which are morally reprehensible, but all of which are also infinitely more effective than those same elements vis-a-vis our FBI.
Face it folks -- our FBI is not worthy of this enemy. God help us all if our national security remains in the hands of these imbecile agents and their stupidity-ridden support staff.
Posted by nolehce
- Oct 07, 2004, 04:53 AMU.S. Department of Justice
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Washington, D.C. 20535
________________________________________________________________________
##/##/####
Candidate Name
Candidate Address
Dear Candidate Name:
This is to advise you that our conditional offer of appointment dated ##/##/####, is hereby rescinded.
Although your desire to become affiliated with this Bureau is appreciated, we are unable to further process your application, based on the results of your polygraph examination on ##/##/####. As you are aware, all applicants for FBI employment must successfully pass a pre-employment polygraph examination. The results of your polygraph examination were not within acceptable parameters.
I know that this decision will be disappointing to you, but trust that you understand the FBI's position in this matter.
Sincerely yours,
Therese E Rodrique, Chief
Support Applicant Processing Unit
Administrative Services Division
Processing field office: WF
XXX-HQ-XXXXXXX
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Washington, D.C. 20535
________________________________________________________________________
##/##/####
Candidate Name
Candidate Address
Dear Candidate Name:
This is to advise you that our conditional offer of appointment dated ##/##/####, is hereby rescinded.
Although your desire to become affiliated with this Bureau is appreciated, we are unable to further process your application, based on the results of your polygraph examination on ##/##/####. As you are aware, all applicants for FBI employment must successfully pass a pre-employment polygraph examination. The results of your polygraph examination were not within acceptable parameters.
I know that this decision will be disappointing to you, but trust that you understand the FBI's position in this matter.
Sincerely yours,
Therese E Rodrique, Chief
Support Applicant Processing Unit
Administrative Services Division
Processing field office: WF
XXX-HQ-XXXXXXX