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Posted by ms_iron
- Aug 13, 2004, 07:11 PMDUMP THE CHUMP, good one Kona. 
With age comes wisdom or at least some. Whenever you feel uncomfortable, WALK from the cause.
With age comes wisdom or at least some. Whenever you feel uncomfortable, WALK from the cause.
Posted by Kona
- Jun 13, 2004, 09:16 PMAngry Girlfriend,
Your problem doesn't stem from two failed polygraph exams, it stems from your total lack of self esteem. If you want any hope of recovering your self worth, follow the steps indicated below.
Step #1: Dump your immature/loser/paranoid boyfriend.
RUN, don't walk away from this chump. What kind of a man would let his wife or girlfriend submit to such an exam to "prove" their innocence? Is the concept of trust lost on this guy? If he doesn't believe you, he doesn't trust you. If he doesn't trust you, you have NO RELATIONSHIP. Pathetic is an understatement.
Step #2: With regard to your awful polygraph experiences, LET IT GO, and never submit to this humiliation again.
You're not going to change anything by whinning about the results, or setting up a one person picket in front of their office. There will be no vindication in this matter. Although, I am sure they would invite you to come back and take another test for a reduced "fee." That way you could really "prove" your innocence to your pathetic boyfriend. Guess what, it wouldn't matter if you passed the polygraph on your third test, because your boyfriend wouldn't accept the results, and you'd be back to square one.
Oh my goodness........Angry GF.......you really need to read TLBTLD. George is a much more patient man than I......maybe he will comment.
Good luck to you.
Kona
Your problem doesn't stem from two failed polygraph exams, it stems from your total lack of self esteem. If you want any hope of recovering your self worth, follow the steps indicated below.
Step #1: Dump your immature/loser/paranoid boyfriend.
RUN, don't walk away from this chump. What kind of a man would let his wife or girlfriend submit to such an exam to "prove" their innocence? Is the concept of trust lost on this guy? If he doesn't believe you, he doesn't trust you. If he doesn't trust you, you have NO RELATIONSHIP. Pathetic is an understatement.
Step #2: With regard to your awful polygraph experiences, LET IT GO, and never submit to this humiliation again.
You're not going to change anything by whinning about the results, or setting up a one person picket in front of their office. There will be no vindication in this matter. Although, I am sure they would invite you to come back and take another test for a reduced "fee." That way you could really "prove" your innocence to your pathetic boyfriend. Guess what, it wouldn't matter if you passed the polygraph on your third test, because your boyfriend wouldn't accept the results, and you'd be back to square one.
Quote from: Angry girlfriend on Jun 13, 2004, 07:33 PMAlso: I have questions regarding the inability to fool this gland in your brain. They told me you can't psyche yourself out, or into a lie...and basically no matter what...if you did not commit the accusation-the thymus or whatever would not and could not react as though you did. It just could not happen as this gland is actually an involuntary reflex that reacts to fear.
Oh my goodness........Angry GF.......you really need to read TLBTLD. George is a much more patient man than I......maybe he will comment.
Good luck to you.
Kona
Posted by Angry girlfriend
- Jun 13, 2004, 07:33 PMMy boyfriend accused me of lying/cheating until the point when I told him to "give me a polygraph!" Had I known then what I know now, I would have never voluntarily subjected myself to this...twice. Without ANY prior research, and only a basic idea of how the testing procedure works- I naively thought this machine would prove me to be the trustworthy girlfriend I believe, I am.
We scheduled a last minute appointment no cancellations, $100 phone deposit. We missed the appointment. We rescheduled another $100. We were then about an hour late to that appointment. Feeling nervous and insulted, I complained the entire way there. My entire relationship- my boyfriend, my heart- was in the hands of someone I didn't know. Someone who was already annoyed with us for "wasting his time."
The fidelity test I agreed to take was a single issue exam for $375, but $475 due to our no show. "From this date to this date have you had sexual contact with anyone other than your boyfriend?" I had to define "sexual contact" on paper before the exam. My boyfriend also added another $100 question regarding missing money.
I filled out my pre-exam questionaire honestly, including my drug usage. The examiner and I went over my answers, which I will omit here, but he still deemed me fit for the exam. After giving us an example numbers exam (to convince my boyfriend of the accuracy) my boyfriend left the room, and the examiner proceeded with my test.
He went over the questions first, then attached me to a machine. He gave me the test of questions four times. Then the once "friendly" examiner released the chains, and went for the door. I said "so, how was it?" He replied "Not good. You're lying." I was shocked, pissed, hysterical. "WHAT!?....I AM NOT A LIAR! YOU WILL NOT TELL ME THAT I AM LYING, WHEN I DID NOT."
He continued to tell me I am a liar, and I can't beat the test. Tears flowing, I would not accept his results. I will omit the details of the emotionally charged argument, and he then walked me out to my boyfriend giving him an inconclusive result. We were told to come back for a retest when I was in a better frame of mind, and without substances in my system. This was the first exception ever made by this firm.
For my retest I requested his wife as the examiner. It took two months before I went in again, and then I was sent home unfit to test that day. A month later I went in again fit for testing. My new examiner and I went over everything, and she decided to give me another test format.
Before both exams they explained how the test works, and why... Although I did not do so the first time, I questioned her quite a bit regarding the accuracy etc. I tried to be as clear and precise as I could be in my written definitions. She wrote up the new fidelity questions, and decided to can the double issue question saying "if he can't trust you on one, he shouldn't be able to trust you on the other one anyway."
After she wrote the questions she went over them with me, having me answer each one at that time. I answered truthfully to all questions such as "Have you ever lied to an employer?" "Yes." She looked at me with disgust. I said "Of course I have been untruthful. I have called in sick when I wasn't. To say I have been completely honest at every job is impossible, and would be a lie." She then reformatted that question, and actually ended up reformatting all of the questions, multiple times. She didn't get the answer she wanted, and reworded it until she did, or I was uncertain. She went through the test twice. Then said I was a liar.
Another argument. I will omit the details. I revoked the consent to release my results, and left. This is a very vague, patchy, and unclear experience to read. The ordeal was traumatic.
I paid to be belittled, insulted, and unfairly judged. Everything out of their mouths was BS. I told the truth both times. I love my boyfriend with all of my heart. They held my future with him in their tests. Although, I have told him what happened, as well as their opinion of deception, he is angry that I revoked consent, but I could not consent to the defamation of my character being mailed to him.
They were supposed to mail me the results, but they never did. The examiners told me there has never been one person to prove them wrong as I left, and I introduced myself.
Because I am so appalled....with the lack of integrity, morals, conscience...to name a few. I can't not let this go. I will not let this go until I feel I have been redeemed. It makes me sick....just sick. Real liars get away with lying...while people who told the truth such as myself, are branded something untrue.
My physiological reading showed that I was worried because something I cared about was on the line. In the hands of someone I did not trust. Any advice on my next step to vindication? Anyone? I am happy to fill in the dramtic omitted details. I will be forming a one person picket out in front of their office soon....
Also: I have questions regarding the inability to fool this gland in your brain. They told me you can't psyche yourself out, or into a lie...and basically no matter what...if you did not commit the accusation-the thymus or whatever would not and could not react as though you did. It just could not happen as this gland is actually an involuntary reflex that reacts to fear.
Please...I need expert anti-poly help. PLEASE. THANKS
We scheduled a last minute appointment no cancellations, $100 phone deposit. We missed the appointment. We rescheduled another $100. We were then about an hour late to that appointment. Feeling nervous and insulted, I complained the entire way there. My entire relationship- my boyfriend, my heart- was in the hands of someone I didn't know. Someone who was already annoyed with us for "wasting his time."
The fidelity test I agreed to take was a single issue exam for $375, but $475 due to our no show. "From this date to this date have you had sexual contact with anyone other than your boyfriend?" I had to define "sexual contact" on paper before the exam. My boyfriend also added another $100 question regarding missing money.
I filled out my pre-exam questionaire honestly, including my drug usage. The examiner and I went over my answers, which I will omit here, but he still deemed me fit for the exam. After giving us an example numbers exam (to convince my boyfriend of the accuracy) my boyfriend left the room, and the examiner proceeded with my test.
He went over the questions first, then attached me to a machine. He gave me the test of questions four times. Then the once "friendly" examiner released the chains, and went for the door. I said "so, how was it?" He replied "Not good. You're lying." I was shocked, pissed, hysterical. "WHAT!?....I AM NOT A LIAR! YOU WILL NOT TELL ME THAT I AM LYING, WHEN I DID NOT."
He continued to tell me I am a liar, and I can't beat the test. Tears flowing, I would not accept his results. I will omit the details of the emotionally charged argument, and he then walked me out to my boyfriend giving him an inconclusive result. We were told to come back for a retest when I was in a better frame of mind, and without substances in my system. This was the first exception ever made by this firm.
For my retest I requested his wife as the examiner. It took two months before I went in again, and then I was sent home unfit to test that day. A month later I went in again fit for testing. My new examiner and I went over everything, and she decided to give me another test format.
Before both exams they explained how the test works, and why... Although I did not do so the first time, I questioned her quite a bit regarding the accuracy etc. I tried to be as clear and precise as I could be in my written definitions. She wrote up the new fidelity questions, and decided to can the double issue question saying "if he can't trust you on one, he shouldn't be able to trust you on the other one anyway."
After she wrote the questions she went over them with me, having me answer each one at that time. I answered truthfully to all questions such as "Have you ever lied to an employer?" "Yes." She looked at me with disgust. I said "Of course I have been untruthful. I have called in sick when I wasn't. To say I have been completely honest at every job is impossible, and would be a lie." She then reformatted that question, and actually ended up reformatting all of the questions, multiple times. She didn't get the answer she wanted, and reworded it until she did, or I was uncertain. She went through the test twice. Then said I was a liar.
Another argument. I will omit the details. I revoked the consent to release my results, and left. This is a very vague, patchy, and unclear experience to read. The ordeal was traumatic.
I paid to be belittled, insulted, and unfairly judged. Everything out of their mouths was BS. I told the truth both times. I love my boyfriend with all of my heart. They held my future with him in their tests. Although, I have told him what happened, as well as their opinion of deception, he is angry that I revoked consent, but I could not consent to the defamation of my character being mailed to him.
They were supposed to mail me the results, but they never did. The examiners told me there has never been one person to prove them wrong as I left, and I introduced myself.
Because I am so appalled....with the lack of integrity, morals, conscience...to name a few. I can't not let this go. I will not let this go until I feel I have been redeemed. It makes me sick....just sick. Real liars get away with lying...while people who told the truth such as myself, are branded something untrue.
My physiological reading showed that I was worried because something I cared about was on the line. In the hands of someone I did not trust. Any advice on my next step to vindication? Anyone? I am happy to fill in the dramtic omitted details. I will be forming a one person picket out in front of their office soon....
Also: I have questions regarding the inability to fool this gland in your brain. They told me you can't psyche yourself out, or into a lie...and basically no matter what...if you did not commit the accusation-the thymus or whatever would not and could not react as though you did. It just could not happen as this gland is actually an involuntary reflex that reacts to fear.
Please...I need expert anti-poly help. PLEASE. THANKS