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Posted by Mr. Truth
 - Jul 29, 2004, 02:37 AM
I used them and they work like a charm. I have your fellow polygraphers to thank for getting me on the countermeasures bandwagon
Posted by I-SMELL-BS
 - Jul 28, 2004, 05:49 PM
George, editor and chief of the GRUDGE REPORT.  He, like his idol Michael Moore, thinks that just because he hates something it makes him an expert when he criticizes it.  But the fact remains, he has taken two polygraphs and failed both of them, and he has never even tried to use any of the countermeasures he describes and gives advice about.
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Jul 28, 2004, 02:02 PM
Quote from: COP on Jul 28, 2004, 01:49 PMWell, let's see.....references.... George failed both of his polygraphs and he has read a couple of books.... Last week he couldn't even spell expert, now he are one.

Actually, I've read considerably more than just a couple books, as a perusal of the annotated bibliography of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector will confirm.

If there is anything in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector that you genuinely believe to be false or otherwise misleading, please don't hesitate to point it out here. But be prepared to back up your argument with facts and reason.
Posted by COP
 - Jul 28, 2004, 01:49 PM
Well, let's see.....references.... George failed both of his polygraphs and he has read a couple of books.... Last week he couldn't even spell expert, now he are one.
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Jul 28, 2004, 01:41 PM
Quote from: NeutralObserver on Jul 28, 2004, 01:34 PMAnd there is of course a great deal of "sound basis" to take George's advice.  Tell us again George, what would that be?

See the references cited in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector.
Posted by NeutralObserver
 - Jul 28, 2004, 01:34 PM
And there is of course a great deal of "sound basis" to take George's advice.  Tell us again George, what would that be?
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Jul 28, 2004, 12:53 PM
I know of no sound basis for diminishing responses to "control" questions during the 2nd and 3rd chart collections, as Mr. Williams suggests in "How to Sting the Polygraph."
Posted by COP
 - Jul 24, 2004, 01:26 PM
Perhaps dimas will answer you better than he did Neutral Observer.  This is what he says about his basis for giving advice. " NeutralObserver,  I could answer your question in a variety of ways, I could say I was a Polygrapher, have studied to become one, had experience taking polygraphs, have worked in a field in which polygraphs are used regulary, have a medical background, am in Law Enforcement, that I am a "mind reader"  or a variety of truths or lies, obvious or not, either way it would not matter as they would all be met with the same skepticism due to the nature of anonimity that a message board like this entails.  People will believe what they want to believe, I am simply offering my advice and it has to be taken for what it is worth which could be a grain of salt or its weight in gold.  Polygraphs are very useful, but Polygraphy is very flawed. "  Sounds like a crooked politician to me.
Posted by John_Q
 - Jul 23, 2004, 09:35 PM
Round 1 - Full CounterM's
Round 2 - Partial CounterM's
Round 3 - No CounterM's  just be flat

Quoting the "Sting" Manual:

  • n the first series of questions you are to manipulate a cardio and pneumo reaction.

On the second series of questions, I want you to just manipulate a cardio OR a pneumo reaction (only one), and only on one control question, preferably the known-lie control if that is being used.

On the third series of questions, I want you to be as flat as possible on all the questions.

How does it look from the tester's perspective?  Should the candidate use countermeasures each time or as set out above?

Thanks for the input.