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Posted by Mr. Truth
- Feb 22, 2004, 06:46 PMWell, gee golly, my background is squeaky clean too, except for the face plant I did. Can I have a second chance? Not in this lifetime. "Don't be quick to judge me and say that i am not fit for a job like this. i [sic] love my country and believe what I am doing is making a big difference for American citizens." How about when you get hired, you contact me and help me get hired, because in the big scheme of things, I'm squeaky clean too. I'll trade you my sex offense for your drug usage and other crimes. Hell, at least I'm honest.
Posted by Marty
- Feb 22, 2004, 06:36 PMQuote from: Dirk Diggler on Feb 22, 2004, 05:41 PMWell our customer is going to be the NRO (National Reconnaissance Organization). Shouldn't they follow the same polygraph guidelines as the DOD. I think so. Some topics my polygraph contract include are National Security, Personal habits/lifestyle, Use of Illegal Drugs, Involvement in Law Violations, etc.
Although my background is squeaky clean, .... I have committed fraud once or twice but have never been caught for these instances. How will the fact that I have committed these acts affect my polygraph?
"Squeaky Clean?"
Was your "fraud" once or twice, or perhaps thrice. Sorry but My CC was ripped for about 6 G's not long ago so I'm not real sympathetic. Of course it's hard to get a job today what with Enron's demise.
-Marty
Posted by slam818
- Feb 22, 2004, 06:09 PMGeorge,
Can u clarify on what u mean by "substantive" admissions? The way i interpret it is that the examinees admitted and gave out more harmful information to the examiner that he wanted/needed.
Anonymous,
The polygraph contract does state that if the govt does not grant such access, the company shall have no further obligation to me but at it's own discretion consider me for other positions in the company not requiring such access.
I dunno, what's the difference with full scope and CI?
Can u clarify on what u mean by "substantive" admissions? The way i interpret it is that the examinees admitted and gave out more harmful information to the examiner that he wanted/needed.
Anonymous,
The polygraph contract does state that if the govt does not grant such access, the company shall have no further obligation to me but at it's own discretion consider me for other positions in the company not requiring such access.
I dunno, what's the difference with full scope and CI?
Posted by Dirk Diggler
- Feb 22, 2004, 05:41 PMWell our customer is going to be the NRO (National Reconnaissance Organization). Shouldn't they follow the same polygraph guidelines as the DOD. I think so. Some topics my polygraph contract include are National Security, Personal habits/lifestyle, Use of Illegal Drugs, Involvement in Law Violations, etc.
Although my background is squeaky clean, my main concern about taking the polygraph is the use and sale of illegal drugs and involvement in law violations. I sold small amounts and experimented with various drugs in the past. Marijuana as recently as new year's. I have committed fraud once or twice but have never been caught for these instances. How will the fact that I have committed these acts affect my polygraph?
I was thinking i can say yes to these relevant questions and admit to them to a small degree. With fraud, for example, I can say that i forged my father's signature in elementary when i needed proof to show him a bad grade on a report card.
For those that do not know me. Don't be quick to judge me and say that i am not fit for a job like this. i love my country and believe what I am doing is making a big difference for American citizens. I believe in my job and put the objectives of the US govt and it's American citizens well before me. I would in no way, shape or form commit to fraud or espionage against my country.
Although my background is squeaky clean, my main concern about taking the polygraph is the use and sale of illegal drugs and involvement in law violations. I sold small amounts and experimented with various drugs in the past. Marijuana as recently as new year's. I have committed fraud once or twice but have never been caught for these instances. How will the fact that I have committed these acts affect my polygraph?
I was thinking i can say yes to these relevant questions and admit to them to a small degree. With fraud, for example, I can say that i forged my father's signature in elementary when i needed proof to show him a bad grade on a report card.
For those that do not know me. Don't be quick to judge me and say that i am not fit for a job like this. i love my country and believe what I am doing is making a big difference for American citizens. I believe in my job and put the objectives of the US govt and it's American citizens well before me. I would in no way, shape or form commit to fraud or espionage against my country.
Posted by anonymous
- Feb 22, 2004, 05:13 PMFirst of all, are you going to be taking a full-scope, or
CI poly ? If you don't get through the poly, or are
denied the Special Access through adjudication, you
will be put into a database and banned fron all
intelligence work, even at the unclassified level. If
you already have a DoD clearance, a rejection is
sent back to DSS and they will reevaluate your
clearance. If you don't already have a DoD clearance,
it will be much more difficult to get one. I bet nobody
told you about this. Either way, the poly is BS, and
you will be staking your career on it, every five years.
CI poly ? If you don't get through the poly, or are
denied the Special Access through adjudication, you
will be put into a database and banned fron all
intelligence work, even at the unclassified level. If
you already have a DoD clearance, a rejection is
sent back to DSS and they will reevaluate your
clearance. If you don't already have a DoD clearance,
it will be much more difficult to get one. I bet nobody
told you about this. Either way, the poly is BS, and
you will be staking your career on it, every five years.
Posted by guest
- Feb 22, 2004, 04:27 PMQuote from: George W. Maschke on Feb 22, 2004, 06:39 AMDirk,
I don't know.....
George, you should make this statement more often. It is the only thing you have ever said about the polygraph thing that is certain.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Feb 22, 2004, 06:39 AMDirk,
I don't know to what extent failing a DoD polygraph might adversely affect future DoD contract opportunities, but declining the polygraph would preclude you from receiving clearance for the Special Access Program that your new job requires.
Note, however, that the DoD counterintelligence-scope polygraph program failure rate is very low. It seems that although many may be initially told they had "problems" with a question and be asked for an explanation, ultimately the only ones who "fail" are those who make "substantive" admissions. See the subchapter on the DoD Polygraph Program at pp. 57-59 of the 3rd edition of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector and also the discussion thread, How to Pass the DoD CI-Scope Polygraph.
I don't know to what extent failing a DoD polygraph might adversely affect future DoD contract opportunities, but declining the polygraph would preclude you from receiving clearance for the Special Access Program that your new job requires.
Note, however, that the DoD counterintelligence-scope polygraph program failure rate is very low. It seems that although many may be initially told they had "problems" with a question and be asked for an explanation, ultimately the only ones who "fail" are those who make "substantive" admissions. See the subchapter on the DoD Polygraph Program at pp. 57-59 of the 3rd edition of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector and also the discussion thread, How to Pass the DoD CI-Scope Polygraph.
Posted by Dirk Diggler
- Feb 22, 2004, 06:07 AMHi, I'm new to the site and lately I have been quite concerned about the new job I am transferring to within the next 7 to 8 days. I am going to be working for a MAJOR Department of Defense contractor requiring a special access security clearance. The contract that I signed (....my life away that is hehe) specifies that a polygraph may or may not be administered, although the human resources contact said a polygraph would most likely be administered.
On page 121 (Chapter 4) of Lies Behind the Lie Detector, it states that FBI applicants should seriously decline submitting to a polygraph because failing can adversely affect your chances of obtaining employment with other law enforcement agencies, obtaining future security clearances, etc.
1) So if I were to submit to the polygraph and failed, would I be blacklisted as well and be unable to find employment within DOD contract opportunities again?
2) Even though I signed in agreement to the polygraph, what will happen if I decline to take the polygraph?
On page 121 (Chapter 4) of Lies Behind the Lie Detector, it states that FBI applicants should seriously decline submitting to a polygraph because failing can adversely affect your chances of obtaining employment with other law enforcement agencies, obtaining future security clearances, etc.
1) So if I were to submit to the polygraph and failed, would I be blacklisted as well and be unable to find employment within DOD contract opportunities again?
2) Even though I signed in agreement to the polygraph, what will happen if I decline to take the polygraph?