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Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Nov 21, 2003, 06:10 AM
Quote from: another on Nov 20, 2003, 04:11 PMI took the Poly Today.  It was a CQT format. I employed countermeasures as instructed in TTBTLD.  The poligrapher made ne assertions that he was aware of me employing counter measures. I passed the test with flying colors.  I would like to thank george and everyone else for this site, because without the valuable information here. I am certain i might not have done so well.

Congratulations on passing the polygraph! Good luck in the rest of the hiring process, and thank you for sharing your polygraph experience here.

Now that the polygraph is behind you, I hope that you'll take the opportunity to share what you've learned about polygraphy with others, especially those who might someday face a polygraph "test." See the Get Involved and Campus Poster Initiative pages for other steps you can take to help spread the word and hasten the abolishment of polygraph screening.
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Nov 21, 2003, 04:03 AM
Quote from: I know on Nov 20, 2003, 12:09 AMIf given the relevant/irrelevant test, you want to use countermeasures to different relevent and irrelevant questions on different sets.  For example, if questions  1, 3, 5, and 7 are irrevelant and questions 2, 4, 6, and 8 are relevant you would cause a reaction (use countermeasures) on questions 1, 2, 5 and 6 on the first set or chart.  Then, on the second chart or questioning, you cause a reaction to questions 3, 4 and 7.  On the third set of questions cause a reaction to question 8 only.  You kind of mix it up so that you do not have a pattern of reaction to any particular question or questions.  Consistant, specific, significant is what the polygrapher looks for, so you do not want to give him that.  I believe that is the way TLBTLD says to do it.

Actually, the suggestions for countermeasures to the Relevant/Irrelevant technique outlined in TLBTLD do not involve creating reactions to the irrelevant questions (which are not scored).
Posted by Skeptic
 - Nov 21, 2003, 01:06 AM
Quote from: another on Nov 20, 2003, 10:27 PMno, I have worked in law enforcement for 5 years.  I recently bought a home too far away from my work and need to find a transfer to another agency.  I have applied to a number of agencies.  I took a poly from one of these agencies in a R/IR format.  I failed the examination showing deception.  Even though you dont know me and could easily dismiss it, it was a false positive reading. This can have a seriously negative impact on my future ability to find employ with surrounding agencies. after that failure, I found this website and read the TBTLD.  I employed the counter measures as instructed.  and passed.  Thanx undesireable for your encouragement. :-*

Congratulations.  I presume that the exam you passed was a CQT format "test", instead of an R/I?  If it was an R/I too, how did you employ countermeasures?

The R/I is so inherently unreliable that I can imagine several possible strategies for "passing" one (the simplest just being staying adamant about one's innocence), but I'm curious as to what you did.

Skeptic
Posted by sosdd
 - Nov 20, 2003, 10:46 PM
Another fairy tale.  I do wish you guys would use some imagination.  Same Old Shit Different Day - this is getting sad.  OK Skeptic, Orolan, Mallah, and Beechtrees, all you who are members of George's fan club can give me your 2 cents worth now.  
Posted by another
 - Nov 20, 2003, 10:27 PM
no, I have worked in law enforcement for 5 years.  I recently bought a home too far away from my work and need to find a transfer to another agency.  I have applied to a number of agencies.  I took a poly from one of these agencies in a R/IR format.  I failed the examination showing deception.  Even though you dont know me and could easily dismiss it, it was a false positive reading. This can have a seriously negative impact on my future ability to find employ with surrounding agencies. after that failure, I found this website and read the TBTLD.  I employed the counter measures as instructed.  and passed.  Thanx undesireable for your encouragement. :-*
Posted by Ray
 - Nov 20, 2003, 06:23 PM
Another,
Did you have anything to hide on the relevant issues?  
Posted by Undesirable Candidate
 - Nov 20, 2003, 04:17 PM
Another-

Congratulations!  ;) Hope all goes well with the rest of your employment process.

Regards,

Undesirable
Posted by another
 - Nov 20, 2003, 04:11 PM
I took the Poly Today.  It was a CQT format. I employed countermeasures as instructed in TTBTLD.  The poligrapher made ne assertions that he was aware of me employing counter measures. I passed the test with flying colors.  I would like to thank george and everyone else for this site, because without the valuable information here. I am certain i might not have done so well.
Posted by n0mad
 - Nov 20, 2003, 03:23 AM
Quote from: really on Nov 20, 2003, 12:20 AMNever have so many people gathered together to talk about something they know so little about.

Never have so many polygraph believers and examiners gathered together to try to debunk something they "know" is not possible to beat.

Never has there been a site so read by polygraph examiners to see what we're "up to" so they can better catch countermeasure's that "don't work" anyway.

Seems like a lot of concern over nothing.
Posted by I know
 - Nov 20, 2003, 12:28 AM
Really is right.  I do not know.  My post is simply my interpertation of what I read in TLBTLD.  I do know, however, that using countermeasures properly during the CQT works.  I know because I have done it.   ;D
Posted by really
 - Nov 20, 2003, 12:20 AM
Never have so many people gathered together to talk about something they know so little about.
Posted by I know
 - Nov 20, 2003, 12:09 AM
If given the relevant/irrelevant test, you want to use countermeasures to different relevent and irrelevant questions on different sets.  For example, if questions  1, 3, 5, and 7 are irrevelant and questions 2, 4, 6, and 8 are relevant you would cause a reaction (use countermeasures) on questions 1, 2, 5 and 6 on the first set or chart.  Then, on the second chart or questioning, you cause a reaction to questions 3, 4 and 7.  On the third set of questions cause a reaction to question 8 only.  You kind of mix it up so that you do not have a pattern of reaction to any particular question or questions.  Consistant, specific, significant is what the polygrapher looks for, so you do not want to give him that.  I believe that is the way TLBTLD says to do it.
Posted by another
 - Nov 19, 2003, 08:20 PM
I am scheduled for an upcomming poly exam.  I am fully prepared if I am administered the CQT style test; however, if i am administered a relavant/irrelavant style, i am not sure when or if to employ counter measures.  anyone have advice on countermeasures for an R/IR style test format??? thanks  :-*