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Posted by peterpan
 - Nov 12, 2003, 11:21 AM
Alf, I requested a retest (via mail; return recipt) as soon as I recieved my letter stating that "I was not in the perimeters..."  It took a couple of weeks to get a reply.  I had to go in for another informal interview and he said his main goal was to find out if I was sincere.  A couple of weeks later, I recieved a call inviting me to another polygraph. In my letter, I requested a different polygrapher.  I guess you know the rest of the story.....
Posted by Alf
 - Nov 12, 2003, 12:07 AM
>How long did it take you guys to get a letter from DC after the initial test. Did you wait for the letter or write requesting a retest right away?

I was called about 1 week after my first to schedule the 2nd.

It was 2 weeks after my 2nd that I received my "thanks but no thanks" letter.

At least peterpan had a different polygrapher; having the same one seems ridiculous to me.
Posted by bubba
 - Nov 03, 2003, 08:13 PM
I would tend to agree with George's comment. I don't think that one idiot thought up this process. I would tend to believe the bean counters told the higher up's that investigation costs them way too much. As with some posting on this site about their way to weed out people to save money.

All in all I would also agree with George about their honor. In so much that we read and hear in publications about the FBI (even that fact that more and more TV shows are being started with the FBI in mind), they are trying to portray a agency with integrity and honor. But if that were true there would be no place for the poly in pre-employment.

bubba
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Nov 03, 2003, 05:42 AM
The people at FBI HQ are not idiots. They know full well that the polygraph is highly unreliable. But they find it expedient. That FBI HQ relies on the pseudoscience of polygraphy, knowing that in the process they are falsely branding large numbers of truthful applicants as liars based on no evidence whatsoever, points to an ethical deficit, not an intellectual one. Those responsible for the FBI's polygraph policy are not without intelligence: they are without honor.
Posted by peterpan
 - Nov 01, 2003, 09:25 PM
I requested it right away and my request was granted within a couple of months. Don't make the mistake of thinking that there are reasonable people at HQ. They are all idiots to believe in the polygraph....and even if they tell you that you passed, you may end up failing like me
Posted by shafted
 - Oct 31, 2003, 07:53 PM
Hello gang,
I failed my poly as well and am looking to get a retest.   How long did it take you guys to get a letter from DC after the initial test. Did you wait for the letter or write requesting a retest right away?
Also if Bubba and/or peterpan could personal message me, I would appreciate it.  I have a couple of questions to ask of you.
Posted by peterpan
 - Oct 30, 2003, 08:11 PM
Bubba, unfortunately, you and I are in the same boat, so I know how you may feel.  I recieved my 2nd poly results the other day, the "thanks but no thanks" letter.  Nedless to say, I don't have very nice words for the FBI.   >:(

The FBI preemployment polygraph screening is nothing but complete BS!!!  I wish I would have found this site before my original poly exam because I think I failed this exam based on my previous score.  My second examiner told me that I passed (who's the liar now!)

Sorry, about this post, I am still quite angry. Bubba, I hope that everything works out for you.  
Posted by Twoblock
 - Oct 29, 2003, 06:04 PM
bubba

Check your area for pro bono legal assistance. A paralegal could, also, help you make the complaint to file pro se. They charge about 30 dollars an hour. They just can't give you legal advise. Neither can I. All law firms employ paralegals to do their research. A paralegal can show you how to do your own research. In federal court, where this is the venue, it will cost $150. to file your complaint.

If you file a complaint, then bone up on  jurisprudence for your courtroom arguments.

I do most of my research on google.com. On some sites there are instructions on how to file pro se. Could be wrong, but I believe findlaw has one.

Go for it, bud. You can do it.

As an afterthought, you might check with your local ACLU. If they wont take your case, they can sure show you how to make your complaint.
Posted by bubba
 - Oct 29, 2003, 03:23 PM
I've got another question If you don't mind.  Will persuing this as a legal matter, What kind of cost's would be incurred? Because I barely able to make ends meat for my family. As much as I'd like to rip them a new hole if it takes money to do it, my hands a tied.  :(

I do thank you for the advise.
Bubba
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Oct 29, 2003, 04:56 AM
Bubba,

You might consider joining the others who are suing various federal agencies over their pre-employment polygraph policies:

http://antipolygraph.org/litigation.shtml#zaid

Mark S. Zaid is representing the plaintiffs in this litigation. You can reach him at (202) 223-9050.
Posted by Twoblock
 - Oct 28, 2003, 10:58 PM
Bubba

Looks like no one is going to respond, so I will the only way that I know how.

If you have read my posts, then you know that I advocate filing a court action to make them prove that you were not truthful. You don't stand a chance in hell of working for any other federal agency because they pass around your failed poly results. You will have to do this in order to regain your integrity.
Posted by bubba
 - Oct 27, 2003, 05:38 PM
Hello all,

Friday I recieved my result letter from the FBI with regard to my 2nd Polygraph. To no surprise  >:( it stated that I didn't meet the required acceptable limits. In an earlier post I discussed the actual session and with the help of this sites senior users determined that this was a case of false positives.  Now I am more than willing to say the hell with the FBI and move on, but in earlier posts I noticed that this fiasco could have the domino affect if I were to apply for position elsewhere in government.

Now I know that there is a grievance procedure to poly's but I also noticed that for false positive cases there isn't much help. Truly I could care less about the FBI now, but If this BS procedure to pre-employment affects me to not recieve consideration from other agencies that makes me irrate (putting it mildly).

I intend to put into place the grievance procedures that is in the Truth about Lie's book. But to me getting my information from the DOJ and writing to the Bureau doesn't seem to be enough.

Suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks
Bubba.