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Posted by unknown
 - Sep 01, 2003, 01:18 PM
Quote from: George W. Maschke on Sep 01, 2003, 03:30 AMThe reason for producing reactions to different relevant questions will make sense if you understand the (admittedly implausible) rationale behind the R/I technique, which is explained at p. 115 ff.

If you still don't understand this rationale, and/or if the thought of augmenting reactions to any relevant questions makes you feel uncomfortable, you might wish to skip this countermeasure strategy.

As noted at p. 152, behavioral countermeasures (and a lack of any substantive admissions on your part) may well be enough to get you through a R/I screening session.

thanks for the reply.  After checking into it it turns out that they do indeed state the beginning and end of each set of questions, and that the chart is already running prior to these statements.  So producing reactions to these statements coupled with the behavioral countermeasures should suffice.

Thanks for the book, read it 6 times
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Sep 01, 2003, 03:30 AM
The reason for producing reactions to different relevant questions will make sense if you understand the (admittedly implausible) rationale behind the R/I technique, which is explained at p. 115 ff.

If you still don't understand this rationale, and/or if the thought of augmenting reactions to any relevant questions makes you feel uncomfortable, you might wish to skip this countermeasure strategy.

As noted at p. 152, behavioral countermeasures (and a lack of any substantive admissions on your part) may well be enough to get you through a R/I screening session.
Posted by unknown
 - Aug 31, 2003, 02:04 PM
Quote from: unknown on Aug 30, 2003, 01:09 PM

Can you explain this in more detail?

In addition, recall that with this technique polygraphers look to :consistent, specific, and significant" responses to a particular relevant question over multiple charts.  You can prevent such a pattern from occurring by simply producing responses to two differing groups of two relevant questions within the different chart presentations

thanks for posting back.  I guess I am confused by this statement:
producing responses to two differing groups of two relevant questions \

the way I read it is that I should produce responses to relevant questions on purpose?  That does nto seem to make sense
Posted by False +
 - Aug 31, 2003, 07:07 AM
George and unknown,

FYI -- During my CIA polygraph, the examiner ran 3 series, and stated "The test is about to begin" before the questions; and after the questions stated "The test is now over." During these statement, all polygraph sensors were attached, and assumedly, recording.
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Aug 31, 2003, 04:54 AM
I don't have much detail to add, though perhaps I could clarify what is meant by a "chart presentation." It's the presentation of a series of relevant and irrelevant questions during which a polygraph chart is "collected" (recorded), whether on paper or computer media. A polygraph examination whether CQT or R/I typically consists of several series of questions, during each of which a polygraph chart is collected.

As noted in Chapter 3, sometimes, the polygrapher will throw in a "control" question of sorts. It might be a probable-lie "control" question, or it might consist of the polygrapher mis-stating one of the irrelevant questions. Or it might be an unreviewed question, such as "Do you remember my name?" If any such "control" question is added to a question series, it would be beneficial to show a strong reaction to it.

The Keeler Polygraph Institute in Chicago, which taught the Relevant/Irrelevant technique and which trained the NSA's and CIA's first polygraph operators, included announcements of the test's beginning and end as a sort of "control" stimulus. It is unclear whether the CIA and/or NSA are using this today, but if the examination begins with an announcement such as, "The test is about to begin" and/or ends with an announcement that, "The test is now over," it would be beneficial to show a reaction.
Posted by unknown
 - Aug 30, 2003, 01:09 PM
Quote from: George W. Maschke on Aug 30, 2003, 07:35 AMSee p. 152 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector (3rd ed.).

Can you explain this in more detail?

In addition, recall that with this technique polygraphers look to :consistent, specific, and significant" responses to a particular relevant question over multiple charts.  You can prevent such a pattern from occurring by simply producing responses to two differing groups of two relevant questions within the different chart presentations
Posted by George W. Maschke
 - Aug 30, 2003, 07:35 AM
See p. 152 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector (3rd ed.).
Posted by unknown
 - Aug 29, 2003, 10:33 PM
last 4 guys at my office al had r/i tests.

how do you counter that?

other than the stim test, of course