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Posted by Neo
 - Sep 04, 2003, 01:08 PM
I agree with saidme, they should have clarified the admissions.  Did you try and clarify them?  Have you attempted to file any formal response to your DQ?  You should if you truely believe you are innocent of the admissions you made.
Posted by Saidme
 - Aug 21, 2003, 04:44 PM
Sounds like you got hosed by an incompetent investigator.  I find it hard to believe they didn't ask any clarifying questions.  If they didn't shame on them.
Posted by formula1
 - Aug 21, 2003, 03:42 PM
Quote from: Saidme on Aug 21, 2003, 02:19 PMformula1

Your initial post was a little vague.  Also you didn't mention the theft occurred when you were 8.  Could have been last week.  Actually, I think Mr T was being somewhat sarcastic as I don't believe he and I have ever been on the same side of an issue.  

You are exactly right, it could have been last week.  You did what the PD I applied with didn't do; ask for the circumstances and put it into context.  At first it seemed like I had something to hide about my theft and drug use, and I'll admit it does look fishy without knowing the circumstances.  However I feel cheated because that is what happened.  My honesty came back to bite me in the ass.  

I was asked

"Have you ever posessed drugs." Yes.

"Ever hit your wife." Yes.

"Ever steal money." Yes.

Again, being an honest person I have to answer yes to these questions because that is just the type of person I am, honest with integrity.  Without knowing the circumstances I look like I should be put in jail.  No attempt was made for clarification, and that, in my opinion is wrong.  (Especially when I was told I would be given the chance to do so.)

Anyway, what is done is done.  I'll try not to cry too much over my spilled milk.....    :'(
Posted by Saidme
 - Aug 21, 2003, 03:38 PM
Mr T and other fellow antipolygraphers

I stand corrected.
Posted by Mr. Truth
 - Aug 21, 2003, 03:05 PM
Quote"First step in learning how to do a shakedown?"    This one made me laugh for a few minutes.

Then my effort wasn't in vain.
Posted by Mr. Truth
 - Aug 21, 2003, 03:04 PM
Now Saidme, you know that is not true. We agreed about the wife taking the poly, and I just agreed with you about the guy wanting to lie on every question, even what his name is as he walks in the door. How can you be so mean and hurtful to me like that?
Posted by Saidme
 - Aug 21, 2003, 02:19 PM
formula1

Your initial post was a little vague.  Also you didn't mention the theft occurred when you were 8.  Could have been last week.  Actually, I think Mr T was being somewhat sarcastic as I don't believe he and I have ever been on the same side of an issue.  
Posted by formula1
 - Aug 21, 2003, 01:52 PM
Quote from: Saidme on Aug 20, 2003, 10:13 PMHolding marijuana (for 10 seconds) meets the parameters for possession.  My question would be, what were the circumstances?  Was it because you were selling the nugget along with a couple of ounces to someone else?  Lot of room for the imagination there.  I think you're a long way from Mother T. :D


You are right, what were the circumstances???  Wouldn't a competent background investigator want to explore that to see if I am telling the truth?  Wouldn't a BI want to know if I ever did have a history with drugs? The department I applied with did not have posession as an automatic disqualifier, only usage and sales.  Again, there have been many people who have become LEOs after having used Marijuana.  I merely held it 12 years ago.  And NO, there is no room for imagination because I was not planning on selling it.  Don't look any further into my post because what I stated is all that happened.  It's funny how I passed all questions on the polygraph about if I have ever "sold, cultivated, used, or transported any illegal drug."  I don't know, sounds like I'm telling the truth.  

Quote from: Mr. Truth on Aug 20, 2003, 10:44 PMStealing $10 from a wallet? Isn't that a precursor to stealing money during a drug bust? First step on learning how to do a shakedown? Nuggets of pot lead to rocks of crack. Oh yes, thank God (I use Saidme instead of God, he's a lot closer and the answers are clearer) another bad apple was weeded out from a career in law enforcement.

"Isn't that a precursor to stealing money during a drug bust?"  No it isn't.  Petty theft as a child does not mean a person will one day grow up to be a corrupt police officer because almost everybody stole something as a child. Either you are being silly or you have no idea what you are talking about.  I took money from a wallet when I was 8 years old.  OH MY GOD, throw me in jail.  Come on, lets be realistic.  

"Nuggets of pot lead to rocks of crack?" ::)  It gets better.  So, then, all the police officers who have been hired even though they have used Marijuana are all now crack addicts??? Those who have been hired  even with a DUI are now attending AA meetings?

"First step in learning how to do a shakedown?" ::)   This one made me laugh for a few minutes.  

Anyway, these are the things I was DQ'd for.  So I guess by your logic all police officers in every state, city, and department; all sheriffs, highway patrolmen, FBI agents, border patrol agents, and  such have, 1). never stolen as a child, 2). Never smoked, inhaled, or "possessed marijuana, and 3). have never played slug bug.  I may be wrong, but I don't think that is the case.  

"another bad apple was weeded out from a career in law enforcement." ;D Quite the contrary my dear friend, I have PASSED all aspects of the LAPD process and will probably have my academy date next month.  Then, according to you, I will be able to go to Rampart and "shake down" people, use my Columbian drug connections to deal in the neighborhoods, and beat my wife with violent games of "slug bug." :P
Posted by Mr. Truth
 - Aug 20, 2003, 10:44 PM
Stealing $10 from a wallet? Isn't that a precursor to stealing money during a drug bust? First step on learning how to do a shakedown? Nuggets of pot lead to rocks of crack. Oh yes, thank God (I use Saidme instead of God, he's a lot closer and the answers are clearer) another bad apple was weeded out from a career in law enforcement.
Posted by Saidme
 - Aug 20, 2003, 10:13 PM
Holding marijuana (for 10 seconds) meets the parameters for possession.  My question would be, what were the circumstances?  Was it because you were selling the nugget along with a couple of ounces to someone else?  Lot of room for the imagination there.  I think you're a long way from Mother T. :D
Posted by formula1
 - Aug 20, 2003, 09:30 PM
Quote from: neda on Aug 20, 2003, 08:25 PMDrugs, Wife beater, and theft !!!  wew.. you've made alot of admissions in your polygraph exam.  I understand your honesty  but this is alot!!!

Neda,

I hope you are being sarcastic!!
Posted by neda
 - Aug 20, 2003, 08:25 PM
Drugs, Wife beater, and theft !!!  wew.. you've made alot of admissions in your polygraph exam.  I understand your honesty  but this is alot!!!
Posted by formula1
 - Aug 18, 2003, 09:07 PM
I was also DQ'd from my a local PD for my "drug posessions" and from taking $10 from a wallet I found (which I agree was childish and stupid).  I only have a beef with  my "domestic issues" (prior post) and these so-called "drug possessions."  I admitted to the polygraph examiner that I held a "nugget" of marijuana about the size of a penny for about ten seconds.  I also admitted to looking at a bong and a pipe.....that's it.  Throughout high school and college I have never "used, thought I was using, inhaled, ingested, or in any way experimented with marijuana."  EVER.  I made this very clear to the polygraph examiner and he said it would not be a problem.  What a bastard!! Why would he say that if I was going to get DQ'd?  For the life of me what I have explained is not experimentation because I never thought about using Marijuana.  What do you guys think, is what I described experimentation?  Does that deserve a DQ?    
 
And like I read from many of you posters before, I SHOULD HAVE KEPT MY BIG MOUTH SHUT!!!!!  Would they have found out about this, probably not.  I am a person of honesty and integrity and my folks always told me that I can never go wrong with the truth.  In most cases they are right, but not in becoming a LEO.  What a bunch of bullshit.  This local PD told me prior to all this that they aren't looking for "saints" and everybody has had problems.  All I know is, the people they chose over me must be Mother Theresa and are perfect.