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Posted by 1904
- Jun 01, 2007, 10:12 AMQuote from: LungDragon on May 30, 2007, 09:34 PMI'll do the quick summary first for those who have little time then elaborate on details thereafter.
After the first test was "inconclusive" and the examiner told me "don't take offense but if you are using countermeasures then stop." .../quote]
This is typical Examiner BS behaviour. Your chart was probably Incon and not knowing why, the dope
thinks that he can automatically blame the subject for using CM's. As you said, he left himself an emergency back-door exit by saying "if" - he might just as well have said, " I dont know shite from shinola, so please don't show me up as being a total dickhead because if you are employing CM's
I wouldn't know the difference"
Sounds like a colleague of Palerider - the Verbal Diarrhoea princess.
Posted by George W. Maschke
- May 31, 2007, 12:27 AMQuote from: LungDragon on May 30, 2007, 09:34 PMIs the entire office allowed to know what happened during your first test?( the 2nd one had a copy of my first results and went over different items on it.
It is common practice for polygraphers conducting re-tests to have the report(s) of the earlier polygraph examination(s).
QuoteCan they share other examinees information with one another and use that information for a different examinee? ( a question seemed more then a coincedence that someone I know had told on their exam.
I'm not aware of any law or common rule that would prevent them from doing so.
QuoteDo they not have to ask control questions? ( my first test I was instructed to lie about something we both knew to be true, my second one was all relevant questions)
No, they don't have to use "control" questions. Often, when an examinee divulges that he understands the true nature and purpose of the "control" questions, polygraphers will employ the relevant/irrelevant technique instead.
QuoteAlso this office instructs examinees to close their eyes during the test so they won't be distracted, is that different or just personal preference?
It may well be a matter of personal preference. However, I recall one person who mentioned having been instructed to close his eyes during the examination reported that upon briefly cracking open his eyes, he saw the polygrapher making faces at him. I suspect that this may have been a sort of test: had the examinee shown a visible to the polygrapher's grimacing, the polygrapher would have known that the examinee had not complied with the instruction to keep his eyes closed. Such non-compliance might have been taken as a sign of deception. Such a practice would be similar to that of instructing the examinee to go to the washroom and thoroughly wash his hands before the test, and then observing the examinee from behind a two-way mirror or via closed-circuit television to see whether he complies with the instruction. Those going into the washroom but not washing their hands as instructed are assumed to be deceptive regarding the relevant issue.
Posted by LungDragon
- May 30, 2007, 09:34 PMI'll do the quick summary first for those who have little time then elaborate on details thereafter.
I've recently applied for a state job and of course the polygraph "test" was apart of the hiring process.
After the first test was "inconclusive" and the examiner told me "don't take offense but if you are using countermeasures then stop." ...odd since I was truthful from the beginning about the research I had done about the polygraph ( which of course entails this site and handy dandy printout book) and he said "Don't you think I can detect countermeasures?"... hmm if you can then why would you ask me to stop "if".
So I had to take another one.This is where is gets a little more interesting. The first "test" was without the sensor pads on the chair and floor ( which it was for others I spoke to who also took the test).
I spoke with the 2nd examiner for a few moments and then went to the restroom.
Oddly enough I noticed something I hadn't when I first came in the room, behind the monitor in clear view was a copy of " The Lie behind the lie detector"
Oh so since I told the truth about reading what I was getting into and you couldn't prove I was lying or not you bring out all the stops...quite amusing to me.
The most ridiculous thing the first examiner says is " the "test" is now more accurate than a blood test you would get at the hospital" So I asked " what type of blood test?" He answered " One they would test to see if you have a disease or illness."
That's odd, the hospital didn't tell my family member " you were moving too much we can't tell if you have type2 diabetes." Sorry Doc but I can't "trick" my blood and you can't alter anyway you see fit.
Basically I took 2 tests for the same job with different examiners.
My main questions for those able to answer them are:
Is the entire office allowed to know what happened during your first test?( the 2nd one had a copy of my first results and went over different items on it.
Can they share other examinees information with one another and use that information for a different examinee? ( a question seemed more then a coincedence that someone I know had told on their exam.
Do they not have to ask control questions? ( my first test I was instructed to lie about something we both knew to be true, my second one was all relevant questions)
Also this office instructs examinees to close their eyes during the test so they won't be distracted, is that different or just personal preference?
Thanks for your time and I will post more details when the available time presents itself
I've recently applied for a state job and of course the polygraph "test" was apart of the hiring process.
After the first test was "inconclusive" and the examiner told me "don't take offense but if you are using countermeasures then stop." ...odd since I was truthful from the beginning about the research I had done about the polygraph ( which of course entails this site and handy dandy printout book) and he said "Don't you think I can detect countermeasures?"... hmm if you can then why would you ask me to stop "if".
So I had to take another one.This is where is gets a little more interesting. The first "test" was without the sensor pads on the chair and floor ( which it was for others I spoke to who also took the test).
I spoke with the 2nd examiner for a few moments and then went to the restroom.
Oddly enough I noticed something I hadn't when I first came in the room, behind the monitor in clear view was a copy of " The Lie behind the lie detector"
Oh so since I told the truth about reading what I was getting into and you couldn't prove I was lying or not you bring out all the stops...quite amusing to me.
The most ridiculous thing the first examiner says is " the "test" is now more accurate than a blood test you would get at the hospital" So I asked " what type of blood test?" He answered " One they would test to see if you have a disease or illness."
That's odd, the hospital didn't tell my family member " you were moving too much we can't tell if you have type2 diabetes." Sorry Doc but I can't "trick" my blood and you can't alter anyway you see fit.
Basically I took 2 tests for the same job with different examiners.
My main questions for those able to answer them are:
Is the entire office allowed to know what happened during your first test?( the 2nd one had a copy of my first results and went over different items on it.
Can they share other examinees information with one another and use that information for a different examinee? ( a question seemed more then a coincedence that someone I know had told on their exam.
Do they not have to ask control questions? ( my first test I was instructed to lie about something we both knew to be true, my second one was all relevant questions)
Also this office instructs examinees to close their eyes during the test so they won't be distracted, is that different or just personal preference?
Thanks for your time and I will post more details when the available time presents itself