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Posted by ZAZ
- Oct 13, 2006, 12:31 PMGeorge, thank you, and to clarify the situation, after further research, the organization ALLOWED ephedra, until 2005, but now it falls under the 5 year statute?? it dosnt make sense to me since in 2004 it was ok to take, but now, under revamped regs. you cant have taken it since 2002??? it seems that it will fall under the "gray area" conditions, and while I probably would still be allowed to compete, its not worth chancing it to me.
Many "natural" organizations are doing this type of thing, a product will come out, and is not on the "banned" list, 2 years later it is determined to be "illegal" (according to difft organizations) put on the banned list and what was fine to take 1 year ago is now under the 5 year statute!! ridiculous, and I find this to be "unsportmanlike" in itself, and dosnt make sense to me.
Thank you again for clarifying this situation, I recognize the goal of this antipolygraph.org and admire and support it, the fact that this is just basically a scam to line the pockets of a "chart roller" as you call him just adds to the invalidity of polygraphy..you might find it interesting that ALOT of Bodybuilding organizations are utilizing "polygraph tests" recently literally making "chart rollers" thousands upon thousands of dollars..I personally think they just list that a "test" will be given just to scare off steroid users etc. and they have to find somebody just to validate the threat...what a joke..
Many "natural" organizations are doing this type of thing, a product will come out, and is not on the "banned" list, 2 years later it is determined to be "illegal" (according to difft organizations) put on the banned list and what was fine to take 1 year ago is now under the 5 year statute!! ridiculous, and I find this to be "unsportmanlike" in itself, and dosnt make sense to me.
Thank you again for clarifying this situation, I recognize the goal of this antipolygraph.org and admire and support it, the fact that this is just basically a scam to line the pockets of a "chart roller" as you call him just adds to the invalidity of polygraphy..you might find it interesting that ALOT of Bodybuilding organizations are utilizing "polygraph tests" recently literally making "chart rollers" thousands upon thousands of dollars..I personally think they just list that a "test" will be given just to scare off steroid users etc. and they have to find somebody just to validate the threat...what a joke..
Posted by George W. Maschke
- Oct 13, 2006, 02:42 AMThis website's goal is to help truthful persons protect themselves against the risk of a false positive outcome, not to help deceptive persons beat the system. You've mentioned that you don't meet the conditions for the competition and plan on deceiving the organizer about your use of ephedra. I think that's un-sportsmanlike, and I'm not particularly interested in helping you.
On the other hand, it goes against all notions of fair play to judge peoples' honesty and integrity on the basis of a pseudoscientific fraud like polygraph testing. To answer your question, no, no legitimate polygraph exam can be conducted in 15-20 minutes, even by the low standards of the polygraph community. The polygrapher contracted for the event will be what other polygraphers derisively term a "chart roller," someone who hurriedly goes through the motions for cash. The consensus amongst polygraphers is that a polygraph examination should last longer, typically at least an hour. But no matter how long the examination, the underlying procedure has no scientific basis and is without validity as a means of detecting deception. In fact, the "test" is fundamentally dependent on trickery, not science, as the standard polygraph technique requires the polygrapher to lie to and otherwise deceive the person being "tested" about the nature of the procedure.
Download The Lie Behind the Lie Detector (1 mb PDF) to learn how anyone can pass a polygraph "test," whether or not one is telling the truth. It's quite possible that some of your fellow competitors -- some of whom may have used banned substances -- will have also read it.
On the other hand, it goes against all notions of fair play to judge peoples' honesty and integrity on the basis of a pseudoscientific fraud like polygraph testing. To answer your question, no, no legitimate polygraph exam can be conducted in 15-20 minutes, even by the low standards of the polygraph community. The polygrapher contracted for the event will be what other polygraphers derisively term a "chart roller," someone who hurriedly goes through the motions for cash. The consensus amongst polygraphers is that a polygraph examination should last longer, typically at least an hour. But no matter how long the examination, the underlying procedure has no scientific basis and is without validity as a means of detecting deception. In fact, the "test" is fundamentally dependent on trickery, not science, as the standard polygraph technique requires the polygrapher to lie to and otherwise deceive the person being "tested" about the nature of the procedure.
Download The Lie Behind the Lie Detector (1 mb PDF) to learn how anyone can pass a polygraph "test," whether or not one is telling the truth. It's quite possible that some of your fellow competitors -- some of whom may have used banned substances -- will have also read it.
Posted by ZAZ
- Oct 12, 2006, 06:14 PManybody?? please, I have trained ridiculously hard for this competition, and really dont want to be told I was lying or gave a false positive for something that was perfectly legal in the organization 1 year ago, and now its not...to me, from what I have read here, it seems like it would be really hard to give a legitimate exam in 15-20 minutes, even if they are only trying to find out 2 things,1. if you are a professional trying to compete as an amateur and 2. if you have taken any banned substances and when..?
Posted by ZAZ
- Oct 12, 2006, 01:26 PMHi all, yep you read right, I am, along with everyone else being forced to take a mandatory poly for a natural bodybuilding competition this saturday, not only that I am being made to cough up the $40 for it myself!! this is going to be a group style, with about 20 competitors to test in 8 hours 
can they do a legitamate poly the DAY OF the contest??, in this short of a time period?, every body is going to be so jacked up, with tanning stuff all over there hands, no food in them, full of caffeine, etc.. 
with so many to do in a short time, obviously a full interview type test is not possible, and from the people I have talked to, it seems to be a direct lie CQ type test, with a few, "do you intend to lie on this test?" CQ' thrown in..my only thing is this, the list of banned substances is over 50, so general type ?'s are going to be applied, things such as ephedra I have taken a few years ago, when every 7-11 in the US carried it, but the organizations statute is 5 years!! so if they ask "have you ever taken any banned substances" a NO answer could come up as deceptive..any advice? I have read the truth behind the lie..?? but this scenario isnt really covered, any suggestions?? this dosnt seem like a legitimate test at all....??
can they do a legitamate poly the DAY OF the contest??, in this short of a time period?, every body is going to be so jacked up, with tanning stuff all over there hands, no food in them, full of caffeine, etc.. with so many to do in a short time, obviously a full interview type test is not possible, and from the people I have talked to, it seems to be a direct lie CQ type test, with a few, "do you intend to lie on this test?" CQ' thrown in..my only thing is this, the list of banned substances is over 50, so general type ?'s are going to be applied, things such as ephedra I have taken a few years ago, when every 7-11 in the US carried it, but the organizations statute is 5 years!! so if they ask "have you ever taken any banned substances" a NO answer could come up as deceptive..any advice? I have read the truth behind the lie..?? but this scenario isnt really covered, any suggestions?? this dosnt seem like a legitimate test at all....??