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Posted by George W. Maschke
- Jan 26, 2006, 08:59 AMQuote from: nonombre on Jan 25, 2006, 09:42 PM
Wait a minute, I'm confused here.
While none of us know what if any connection polygraph may or may not have had to this case, you all seem more than ready to jump in and blindly make comments like, "...It appears another stellar performance by polygraphers catching undersirables before they can become LEO's.."
Nonombre,
Law enforcement pre-employment polygraph screening typically includes a question about undetected crimes, which would include possession of child pornography. However, we don't know when the former police officer involved began his alleged collection of child pornography. It may have been either before or after his polygraph. But since he only started as a Fredericksburg police officer on 1 August 2005, it seems more likely that it was before.
QuoteFunny, I am willing to bet that in the short time this particular posting has been up, there were scores of confessions taken by polygraph examiners across this country from police applicants who were caught by the polygraph screening process. Caught engaging in child porn, sex abuse, rape, and all sorts of other sordid behaviors.
Do any of you even acknowledge this? No.
That's not true. No one denies that polygraphers obtain disqualifying admissions from some applicants.
QuoteInstead, you continue to vilify the examiners, comfort the poor "victims" of the polygraph method who all apparently "deserved" a police job and of course deserved their privacy from such an "intrusive" and "unfair" process.
Why do you put "victims" in quotation marks? Do you deny that persons who are falsely accused of deception based on polygraph chart readings and denied employment are victims?
QuoteYou even publish ways you believe will enable people (even sex offenders and terrorists) to "beat" the polygraph. You are proud of this, proud that your materials have come up on the radar screen of the most murderous group in the history of modern man. Proud they have chosen your methods above all others.
"One happy family, I say."
You again repeat the libel that I am somehow "proud" that Islamic insurgents have exploited the countermeasure information provided by AntiPolygraph.org. As I mentioned earlier, I take no pride in this. Rather, I'm angered and dismayed by the unbelievable stupidity and incompetence of U.S. Government officials who continue to rely on polygraph results despite overwhelming scientific evidence that it is unreliable.
I note also that while Al-Qaeda and associated jihadist organizations are a formidable foe, they are not even close to being "the most murderous group in the history of modern man."
QuoteYet, you continue to rail over the possible failure of polygraph in this particular case, hoping against hope that this guy actually beat the system. That would be a victory for you. Never mind his victims. They are unimportant. You have "won."
It is quite possible, if not probable, that Joshua Lee Jennings was a false negative. Possibly twice, since it seems the Portsmouth Police Department, where Lee served before transferring to Fredericksburg, also requires a pre-employment polygraph.
QuoteSo all I can say is feel free to continue to use this website to bolster your self-esteem. Convince each other of the "rightness" of your actions, massage each other's bruised egos while the use of forensic polygraph testing continues to grow unabated in the federal, state, and local governments.
Do you realize that since the birth of this special interest site, the use of polygraph has literally exploded on all government levels? As you all take joy in what you have convinced each other is the imminent "death" of polygraph testing in the government, the enrollment of federal, state, and local officials in polygraph schools across the country has exceeded the physical capacity of their buildings? Some are towing in doublewide trailers to service the added capacity. Polygraph is growing stronger my good friends and is in quite excellent health indeed. As the great American writer once said, "The news of my death is greatly exagerated."
Continued Regards to you all,
Nonombre
I am well aware that governmental reliance on polygraphy has grown dramatically since AntiPolygraph.org first went on-line in 2000. It seems that the attacks of 11 September 2001 gave the polygraph community a new lease on life. But it's worth noting that since 9/11, the U.S. Government has also trained more than 100 CVSA operators. The fact that the government does it doesn't make it valid, fair, or wise.
You attempt to frame AntiPolygraph.org as a "special interest site," but we are a non-profit public interest site. Truth-telling about polygraphy is very much in the public interest. It's the polygraph community who constitute a "special" interest.
When a government policy depends on universal deception, the truth is subversive. AntiPolygraph.org will continue telling the subversive truth about lie detectors until polygraphy is abolished.
Posted by EosJupiter
- Jan 26, 2006, 01:17 AMQuote from: nonombre on Jan 25, 2006, 09:42 PM
Wait a minute, I'm confused here.
NoNombre,
I examined your statements and actually found the part that is true (quoted above). I am impressed, not only were you accurate, but 100% dead on.
Now as far as my statement, that PD uses a polygraph to screen its officers. If its that good, you would get 100% of the bad folks. But alas, not even close to 100%.
And the use of the polygraph can explode all it wants. Everytime you polygraph someone you make a new enemy of them .... you do the numbers. There are more of us than you. I have yet to hear from anyone who has had a polygraph, say what a great experience it is.
Lets do it again !!!
Regards ....
Posted by polyfool
- Jan 26, 2006, 12:52 AMNonombre,
Classifying the founders of this site and its posters with sex offenders and terrorists is way out of line.
From the tone of your post, it seems your insecurities are becoming well apparent. No one could blame you for that. I suppose I would be a little insecure too, if someone was giving away my trade secrets.
While it's true polygraph screening has infiltrated all levels of government in the past decade or two, you can rest assured it won't be that way forever. With every passing day more and more people are learning the truth about polygraphs as the government falsely labels its citizens liars and the families and friends of those people help to spread the word. The existence of this site and the public's interest in it is proof that more people are learning about the lie behind the lie detector. Once everyone knows the truth, the jig will be up and you will be out of a job.
I'm not saying this will happen tomorrow, but it will happen one day. The wheels of justice turn slowly.
Classifying the founders of this site and its posters with sex offenders and terrorists is way out of line.
From the tone of your post, it seems your insecurities are becoming well apparent. No one could blame you for that. I suppose I would be a little insecure too, if someone was giving away my trade secrets.
While it's true polygraph screening has infiltrated all levels of government in the past decade or two, you can rest assured it won't be that way forever. With every passing day more and more people are learning the truth about polygraphs as the government falsely labels its citizens liars and the families and friends of those people help to spread the word. The existence of this site and the public's interest in it is proof that more people are learning about the lie behind the lie detector. Once everyone knows the truth, the jig will be up and you will be out of a job.
I'm not saying this will happen tomorrow, but it will happen one day. The wheels of justice turn slowly.
Posted by Johnn
- Jan 26, 2006, 12:47 AMQuote from: nonombre on Jan 25, 2006, 09:42 PM
Funny, I am willing to bet that in the short time this particular posting has been up, there were scores of confessions taken by polygraph examiners across this country from police applicants who were caught by the polygraph screening process.
Yes, there were scores who might've confessed, but it wasn't because the actual polygraph detected the lie. That in itself is a big lie.
I was thinking, why not take a handgun and point it at the applicant's head and make him or her draw a confession instead? Don't you think it would create more fear than the polygraph?
I'm more than sure the results would be the same for both - LE applicants and criminals both confessing to past events all the while having a desert eagle pointed between their eyes. And heavens forbid if anyone speaks out against the use of handguns to screen applicants, because you know.... we are able to get tons of confessions from this excellent tactic. Abuse? What abuse? 
Posted by nonombre
- Jan 25, 2006, 09:42 PMQuote from: EosJupiter on Jan 25, 2006, 05:57 AMPoly,
It appears another stellar performance by polygraphers catching undersirables before they can become LEO's. A cop & a kiddie porno clown. Hmm he will be popular behind bars ..... ADSEG for this guy. They will kill him in general population, if he is put there.
Good article ....
Regards ....
Wait a minute, I'm confused here.
While none of us know what if any connection polygraph may or may not have had to this case, you all seem more than ready to jump in and blindly make comments like, "...It appears another stellar performance by polygraphers catching undersirables before they can become LEO's.."
Funny, I am willing to bet that in the short time this particular posting has been up, there were scores of confessions taken by polygraph examiners across this country from police applicants who were caught by the polygraph screening process. Caught engaging in child porn, sex abuse, rape, and all sorts of other sordid behaviors.
Do any of you even acknowledge this? No. Instead, you continue to vilify the examiners, comfort the poor "victims" of the polygraph method who all apparently "deserved" a police job and of course deserved their privacy from such an "intrusive" and "unfair" process.
You even publish ways you believe will enable people (even sex offenders and terrorists) to "beat" the polygraph. You are proud of this, proud that your materials have come up on the radar screen of the most murderous group in the history of modern man. Proud they have chosen your methods above all others.
"One happy family, I say."
Yet, you continue to rail over the possible failure of polygraph in this particular case, hoping against hope that this guy actually beat the system. That would be a victory for you. Never mind his victims. They are unimportant. You have "won."
So all I can say is feel free to continue to use this website to bolster your self-esteem. Convince each other of the "rightness" of your actions, massage each other's bruised egos while the use of forensic polygraph testing continues to grow unabated in the federal, state, and local governments.
Do you realize that since the birth of this special interest site, the use of polygraph has literally exploded on all government levels? As you all take joy in what you have convinced each other is the imminent "death" of polygraph testing in the government, the enrollment of federal, state, and local officials in polygraph schools across the country has exceeded the physical capacity of their buildings? Some are towing in doublewide trailers to service the added capacity. Polygraph is growing stronger my good friends and is in quite excellent health indeed. As the great American writer once said, "The news of my death is greatly exagerated."
Continued Regards to you all,
Nonombre
Posted by dimas
- Jan 25, 2006, 05:32 PMFirst off, I know that if found guilty this ass clown will get what he has coming to him. This is once again another really sad day for those of us in LE.
Secondly, I don't think this can be completely blamed on the polygraph, all of us on this site know that it is not perfect and can definitely be beaten, but one must also wonder if the Background Investigator and ultimately the entire hiring process can catch most of these creeps. While we can only hope that a combination of these may indeed catch these guys before they make it in, but like this jerk some of them fall through the cracks.
Secondly, I don't think this can be completely blamed on the polygraph, all of us on this site know that it is not perfect and can definitely be beaten, but one must also wonder if the Background Investigator and ultimately the entire hiring process can catch most of these creeps. While we can only hope that a combination of these may indeed catch these guys before they make it in, but like this jerk some of them fall through the cracks.
Posted by EosJupiter
- Jan 25, 2006, 05:57 AMPoly,
It appears another stellar performance by polygraphers catching undersirables before they can become LEO's. A cop & a kiddie porno clown. Hmm he will be popular behind bars ..... ADSEG for this guy. They will kill him in general population, if he is put there.
Good article ....
Regards ....
It appears another stellar performance by polygraphers catching undersirables before they can become LEO's. A cop & a kiddie porno clown. Hmm he will be popular behind bars ..... ADSEG for this guy. They will kill him in general population, if he is put there.
Good article ....
Regards ....
Posted by polyfool
- Jan 24, 2006, 10:58 PM Former city policeman faces child porn charges
Date published: 1/24/2006
By KEITH EPPS
A Spotsylvania County man who resigned his job as a Fredericksburg police officer earlier this month is facing child-pornography charges in Spotsylvania.
Joshua Lee Jennings, 24, was indicted last week on 38 counts of possessing child pornography. He was arraigned yesterday, and a trial is set for September.
According to Fredericksburg police spokesman Jim Shelhorse, Jennings started working for the city police department on Aug. 1. He resigned Jan. 4, two weeks before Spotsylvania authorities arrested him.
Court records show that authorities seized a computer from Jennings' home on Bent Tree Drive late last month. The affidavit that outlines the reason for the search warrant was sealed.
Spotsylvania Commonwealth's Attorney William Neely said the affidavit was sealed to protect the identity of the informant who led authorities to Jennings.
However, Neely said Jennings' laptop computer had "oodles" of child pornography on it. Much of it featured young girls having sex with grown men and with animals, Neely said.
The informant discovered the images while using Jennings' computer and notified authorities. Neely said Jennings has made a detailed statement to police.
If convicted of all 38 charges, Jennings would face a maximum penalty of 375 years in prison.
However, it is not likely that Jennings would receive anywhere near that much time, particularly if he ends up pleading guilty.
It was not clear yesterday if the charges against Jennings pose a threat to any pending cases in the city that he may have been involved with. City Commonwealth's Attorney Charles Sharp was not available for comment yesterday.
Jennings, who is currently free on a $37,000 bond, came to Fredericksburg from the Portsmouth Police Department.
To reach KEITH EPPS:540/374-5404
Email: kepps@freelancestar.com
Date published: 1/24/2006
**Note that Jennings would have been subjected to a pre-employment polygraph during his application process with the Fredericksburg Police Department.
Date published: 1/24/2006
By KEITH EPPS
A Spotsylvania County man who resigned his job as a Fredericksburg police officer earlier this month is facing child-pornography charges in Spotsylvania.
Joshua Lee Jennings, 24, was indicted last week on 38 counts of possessing child pornography. He was arraigned yesterday, and a trial is set for September.
According to Fredericksburg police spokesman Jim Shelhorse, Jennings started working for the city police department on Aug. 1. He resigned Jan. 4, two weeks before Spotsylvania authorities arrested him.
Court records show that authorities seized a computer from Jennings' home on Bent Tree Drive late last month. The affidavit that outlines the reason for the search warrant was sealed.
Spotsylvania Commonwealth's Attorney William Neely said the affidavit was sealed to protect the identity of the informant who led authorities to Jennings.
However, Neely said Jennings' laptop computer had "oodles" of child pornography on it. Much of it featured young girls having sex with grown men and with animals, Neely said.
The informant discovered the images while using Jennings' computer and notified authorities. Neely said Jennings has made a detailed statement to police.
If convicted of all 38 charges, Jennings would face a maximum penalty of 375 years in prison.
However, it is not likely that Jennings would receive anywhere near that much time, particularly if he ends up pleading guilty.
It was not clear yesterday if the charges against Jennings pose a threat to any pending cases in the city that he may have been involved with. City Commonwealth's Attorney Charles Sharp was not available for comment yesterday.
Jennings, who is currently free on a $37,000 bond, came to Fredericksburg from the Portsmouth Police Department.
To reach KEITH EPPS:540/374-5404
Email: kepps@freelancestar.com
Date published: 1/24/2006
**Note that Jennings would have been subjected to a pre-employment polygraph during his application process with the Fredericksburg Police Department.