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ebvan
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posted 07-15-2005 10:30 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ebvan Click Here to Email ebvan Edit/Delete Message
I thought this might be of interest to examiners. CUT AND PASTE http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_Polygraph,,00.html

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but then, that's just one man's opinion

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LSUPoly
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posted 07-18-2005 02:11 PM Click Here to See the Profile for LSUPoly Click Here to Email LSUPoly Edit/Delete Message
My department just recieved a letter from the National Institute For Truth Verification addressed to the "Chief of Detectives". It basicaly bashes the polygraph and any studies conducted by DODPI and DOD which support polygraph. A quote" Bias, Conflict of interest, and Unscientific decision making" in reference to the conducted studies of polygraph. I'm curious if this was a mass mailing to law enforcement? There are a couple of testimonials from law enforcement suporting CVSA included. If anyone is interested and you have not gotten your copy email me your address and I will send you a copy of the letter. Ralph I can send you a copy if you want to post it on the site.

Ben

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detector
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posted 07-18-2005 02:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for detector Click Here to Email detector Edit/Delete Message
Yes Ben,

Please send me a copy.

Ralph Hilliard
5200 Dallas Hwy, Ste. 200, Box 300
Powder Springs, GA. 30127

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sackett
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posted 07-18-2005 02:41 PM Click Here to See the Profile for sackett Click Here to Email sackett Edit/Delete Message
Ben,

that sounds just like what NIT has been sending out for years in mass mailings. That is how they got so many dept's on their side; outstanding salemanship and presentation.

APA, in conjunction with AAPP did a great pamphlet on the differences. If you haven't seen it, get it, then refer it to any dept who you know received a similar letter from NIT.

Jim

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Barry C
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posted 07-18-2005 03:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C Click Here to Email Barry C Edit/Delete Message
Yes, I receive one every year. Some people are fooled by the stuff they send out, so stay on top of it with those you know are reading the garbage.

By the way, the only scientific study on CVSA showed a 35% accuracy rate. Think about it: if they just reversed their calls they could increase that rate significantly! (If only that were possible...)

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sackett
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posted 07-18-2005 03:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for sackett Click Here to Email sackett Edit/Delete Message
like Larry T.C.G. says:

"now that's funny, I don't care who you are..."

Jim

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LouRovner
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posted 07-28-2005 04:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for LouRovner Click Here to Email LouRovner Edit/Delete Message
The people at NITV are nothing but hucksters. They know that CVSA is hopelessly inaccurate, but keep selling it anyway, and continue to make their false claims.

The DoDPI studies really don't suffer from a conflict of interest. That might be an issue if DODPI was a profit-making enterprise, but of course it isn't (unlike NITV, which is).

Even if we take DoDPI research out of the mix, there are hundreds of scientific studies and articles from universities, research facilities and law enforcement agencies around the country and in various other countries that establish extraordinarily high accuracy rates for polygraph testing.

It's a real shame that law enforcement agencies are buying the garbage that NITV is selling. The inaccuracy of the CVSA hurts departments when good police applicants are passed over and bad ones are hired, based on the "instrument's" faulty readings. Don't even get me started on what might happen if they use CVSA as a part of investigations and interrogations.

Lou Rovner

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LSUPoly
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posted 07-29-2005 07:22 AM Click Here to See the Profile for LSUPoly Click Here to Email LSUPoly Edit/Delete Message
Well the CVSA helped me out yesterday. I tested a subject who had a polygraph before. Turned out it was a CVSA test with another agency. He passed the test and his confidence was very high that he would pass my test. He was not the most inteligent individual and he did not realize or believe the polygraph he was taking with me was different from what he had already taken. Needless to say he did not pass. I believe he thought because he passed the first one he would pass this one. Thanks CVSA.

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sackett
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posted 07-29-2005 07:49 AM Click Here to See the Profile for sackett Click Here to Email sackett Edit/Delete Message
In Missouri, the CVSA have been able to convince a LOT of dept's to use them as superior, over polygraph. Mostly has to do with cost of polygraph testing by outside examiners or maintaining an examiner on staff, versus a copper who can come in and run a CVSA, then get back to the street.

Several dept's in my area (Kansas City) use CVSA solely for pre-employment and criminal (props for admissions), but when it comes to IAU cases, especially on cops, polygraph is called in many times.

Sad, but funny stuff

Jim

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LouRovner
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posted 07-29-2005 08:06 AM Click Here to See the Profile for LouRovner Click Here to Email LouRovner Edit/Delete Message
Jim,

I wrote an article several months ago comparing polygraph to voice stress. It was originally published in Deputy Sheriff Magazine, and then reprinted in the newsletters of the APA, AAPP, and NPA. Perhaps your local departments should read it.

Lou

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