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Poly761
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posted 06-06-2007 11:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Poly761 Click Here to Email Poly761 Edit/Delete Message
I'd like to confirm whether or not there have been any changes to scoring of the AFMGQT.

Is a +3 required in (every) spot total for NDI?

Is an exam DI if (only) one spot scores out at -3?

Thanks again for the help.

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Bob
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posted 06-07-2007 12:38 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Edit/Delete Message
Poly761;

Just for info, I'm not aware of any scoring changes to the AFMGQT; a -3 in any spot is a DI(or SR) call.

I would add though, current best practices is not to make a diagnostic opinion of Deception being Indicated (if multiple issues being tested),but rather Significant Respones being Indicated; with a follow-up specific issue test to make a final diagnostic opinion of DI or NDI over that specific issue. You might want to look at APA's PCSOT Model Policy which states in part:

Examination results of multiple-issue tests should be reported as Significant Response (SR), No Significant Response (NSR) or No Opinion. 10.4 To reduce the rate of incorrect test results on the multiple-issue test the examiner should not conclude that an offender has Significant Response to one or more test question(s) and have No Significant Response to (an)other test question(s) within the same test series.

10.5 If an offender has Significant Responses to one or more of the relevant questions in the same test series, he or she is to be deemed to have Significant Responses to the test. The polygraph examiner should not report the results of the polygraph examination as No Significant Responses or render an opinion of truthfulness unless all relevant questions on the test series are scored as No Significant Responses

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stat
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posted 06-10-2007 09:01 AM Click Here to See the Profile for stat Edit/Delete Message
Well said Bob. On DI/SR reports I will name the significant response question(s), and follow that with "Due to the Anticlimactic Dampening principle of Multi-issue polygraph testing, the remaining relevant questions cannot be considered "non-deceptive."
I shamefully still use the antiqueted "DI"/NDI" on AFMGQT multi-issue test reports and your post reminded me to get my $#!+ together.Thanks.

When therapists question what the H that means, I tell them (remember, I'm from the south and I use altogether too many anecdotes)the following example: A guy gets into a horrific car accident---his leg has been snapped backwards and he's writhing in pain, he's taken into the ER conscious and the doctor asks where does it hurt?, and he screams "my leg, my leg!". Does that mean he doesn't have 12 broken ribs and a skull fracture too? of course not.
I rarely get any follow-up questions or stated confusion after that simplistic (and maybe innacurate discription) of anti-c-d. Of course that could mean that I've confused them into surrendering their quest for comprehension.

See you at the conferance Bob---are you riding your motorcycle? I look forward to the much needed break, and to see cohorts such as yourself.

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Poly761
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posted 06-10-2007 10:56 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Poly761 Click Here to Email Poly761 Edit/Delete Message
Bob, Stat, thanks for the information.

In my Release I indicated my opinion after three charts may be "NDI," "DI" or "INC."

It would appear if use of a multi-issue exam is an option the Release should also include a statement indicating "response(s) to initial questions may be reported as [SR],[NSR] or [No Opinion]. An additional (or the initial) examination may be administered to which the examiners opinion may be reported as [NDI], [DI] or [INC]."

I agree relative to the confusion this could present, but I believe it could be minimized if identified and explained up front.

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Bob
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posted 06-10-2007 01:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Edit/Delete Message
Good morning Poly761 and Stat;

On AFMGQT multi-issue, I normally write the conclusion something like this:

"It is the professional opinion of the examiner that Mr XYZs polygrams contained significant, specific, and consistent responses to relevant questions being posed; therefore Mr XYZs truthfulness is not being supported to the matter under inquiry."

To me it's one step shy of saying he's a liar (Deception indicated) but at the same time clearly indicating he didn't pass the test. Although I have in the past I 'generally' do not identify the RQ(s) the subject reacted to- but rather explain/discuss the significant responses with the therapist in person- which provides the opportunity to explain anti-clim-damp concept, and then let them decide which RQ issue is of major concern for a specific isue re-test if they wish.

Stat- heading to New Orleans this year is not looking promising for me (unless I win the little lotto). I'm more hopeful right now of getting to the Midwest Regional in Grand Rapids. I haven't been able to get much bike riding in so far this year- I really have to learn better business/time management to make my life more enjoyable- after all I am retired.

Bob

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stat
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posted 06-10-2007 02:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stat Edit/Delete Message
Bob, I was talking about the SOMM conferance this Thur and Fri. I probably won't be schlepping down to Easy this year either. I probably will attend the midwest shindig though. E

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skipwebb
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posted 06-11-2007 07:10 AM Click Here to See the Profile for skipwebb Click Here to Email skipwebb Edit/Delete Message
I'm a bit confused. On a multi-faceted test such as the AFMGQT or the Comparison Test format 3 or 4 (Federal name) it appears from the above comments that there is a reluctance to call a person "deception indicated". I can't speak for pre-employment which is mult-issue or PCSOT as I don't do either test but in criminal specific testing, a person who is minus 3 to any issue on the test is DI. After all, in the pre-test and on the test itself, he has denied all of the relevant issues. If he goes minus 3 to any of the relevant questions then he is deceptive.

If, for instance, we ask "Did you enter the Farmer's Bank on Thursday wearing a mask? Did you point a gun at the teller at that bank? Did you receive a gym bag containing money at that bank? and Did you fire a pistol inside the that bank?

Would it really matter which question indicated deception? Even if we used the old school solution Did you plan with anyone to steal that bank money?...Did you steal any of that bank money?...Did you have any of that stolen bank money in your possession?...Do you know for certain where any of that stolen money is now?... he is still deceptive if he is minus 3 to any of those questions isn't he?

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stat
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posted 06-11-2007 08:49 AM Click Here to See the Profile for stat Edit/Delete Message
I think the differences in say, your example and a pcsot test is this. The target of pcsot testing is two-fold-----the span of time is broader ---like 6 months, 1 year, or in the case of the sex history---a lifetime. The issues and behaviors we are testing on are often times completely unrelated (to most sex Offenders)--i.e. sexual behavior, substance use, travel issues (interstate).
As always in polygraph evolution, it seems we trend toward dividing and subcharacterizing test types----and in keeping with that division, I would suggest that your test example is a multi-faceted test, while many applicant and pcsot tests are multi-issue.[on a side note, I've always considered the Monitoring Test to be single issue via "sex crimes on supervision---but that's a whole 'nother insect] This of course is more silly polybabble and hair-splitting, but I suppose that's what science does. A ladybug that is orange is called a "Chinese ladybug" and a red one is called an "American ladybug." The only difference in my experience is that the orange ones pinch. Both taste aweful when you're on the mower during a yawn.

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Bob
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posted 06-11-2007 08:50 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Edit/Delete Message
Skip-

No, your not confused but rather I probably was unclear. I was refering to Multi-issue exams being rendered SR and not DI/NDI (such as PCSOT/Pre-Emp/Infidelity). In a Multi-faceted test,I too would render a DI/NDI call on a multi-facet test over the same specific event.

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