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stat
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posted 09-14-2007 07:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stat Edit/Delete Message
I love Sam Braddock. He is a kind soul, a tireless teacher, and an all around great interrogater. I wonder if any of his Skyhawk graduates feel slighted or just plain ripped off, due to them being under the former guise that they were being taught by a "Dr."---a rarity in this field in that few can claim such academic credentials. With all of his experience and wisdom, why would one of our own nobles perpetrate such a hoax? How could TV O'Mally, the reputed strict "hound dog" of school inspectors overlook such a false credential?
A word to the wise. If there are others out there who either bought their degrees from a foreign country, or simply credited themselves with such honors due to "life experiences", please spare us the embarrassment. I liken phony phd's and masters degrees to phony Congressional Medals of Honor or Purple Hearts-----both of which are honors that are unmatched in their disciplines and/or duties for merit.

I am sick of "polyflaps", and I know of more to come that are yet unknown. sheesh.

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Barry C
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posted 09-14-2007 08:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C Click Here to Email Barry C Edit/Delete Message
Again, I said it elsewhere, but when the APA banned phony Ph.D.s, there were eight people they knew of boasting "phony" degrees, so there are a few more around.

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posted 09-14-2007 10:00 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stat Edit/Delete Message
When did the APA ban phony phd's? While they're at it, they should ban auto theft too. Am I nuts here?

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Barry C
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posted 09-15-2007 07:32 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C Click Here to Email Barry C Edit/Delete Message
The BOD made policy decision that they wouldn't cite an educational credential that wasn't from a "real" school under Jack Consigli's administration. It's on their website. It does have one flaw in the wording - when it talks about government recognized, or words along those lines, as that could mean a state-licensed school (which means nothing in some states as the license is issued for a fee) could appear to be okay with the current language.

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posted 09-15-2007 07:47 AM Click Here to See the Profile for stat Edit/Delete Message
I suppose such "real" schools that are "governement recognized" would include the Reed school "master's degrees" from Illinois (psychophysiology.) I suppose Dan Sosnowski's master's sheepskin is safe. What about Nate Gordon's "South African Master's Degree?" I just want to be clear on this as I have an opportunity to get an MBA from a Chech University that needs cash.

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posted 09-15-2007 07:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for stat Edit/Delete Message
I am not on a witch hunt, it's just that I am currently applying for PsyD Grad Schools, undergoing the financial undertaking (70K in grants and loan$) and the rigors of preperation and sacrifice. It's kind of like watching people drive a golf cart through the Boston Marathon while I am cramping and puking.

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Barry C
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posted 09-15-2007 08:11 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C Click Here to Email Barry C Edit/Delete Message
And that's the problem with these easy "PhD." programs - your application process is more rigorous than the entire course of "study" for one of the diploma mills.

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posted 09-15-2007 08:36 AM Click Here to See the Profile for stat Edit/Delete Message
The whole presence of phony grad degrees within our field is just rediculous. I know of examiners in my state that have associates degrees that are lethal behind the instrument and in court. Somehow the phony degrees trump those undergrad experts when contracts are handed out. Does anyone think that because George Baranowski, Steve Adang, Bob Weeks-- have "only" a BS/AS degree means that to sit in their lab chair wouldn't be a nightmare for a liar? You all know such veteran examiners too----associate degree'd and Bachelor's degree'd examiners who don't need jacked-up skins to be fabulously cunning. I am getting a Doctorate so that I can teach, counsel, lecture, and test without being accused of being a phony----a peril that wouldn't exist if it weren't for the track record of "wannabeism" within the polygraph field. I should bill (and thank)the MS/PHD frauds for my tuition, because if it weren't for their ruinous con artistry and bloating, I would be far happier with undergrad credentials.

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Barry C
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posted 09-15-2007 10:30 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C Click Here to Email Barry C Edit/Delete Message
I don't know that they are all cons. Some are naive to the accreditation process. Some may well have known from the get-go that their degree programs weren't anywhere near as vigorous as are most programs. I think Jim Matte falls into that category. There was a time when CPU had a number of people fooled, and there were many who were fleeced by them. It is clear today, however, that CPU, for example, never offered programs at any level that were equal to those you'll find at accredited institutions, and to maintain they were is disingenuous at best.

When if comes to promotions based upon such degrees, that is illegal in more and more states every day. (CPU degrees will always be "legal" in California - because of a legal loophole, in essence, but they are illegal in every state that outlaws bogus degrees, such as Oregon and here in Maine.)

I think what you are seeing is more and more people realizing they were fleeced (not all were), and they are dropping reference to the "credential," which is a good thing, but which George et al will use to try to make us all look bad.

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posted 09-15-2007 12:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stat Edit/Delete Message
So you're saying many of them were victims of a scam? I never thought of seasoned polygraph examiners as being cherub-like fawns-------people dupped into believing that their MS/PHD that they recieved after mailing some scientific paragraphs and some money was legitimate. Sorry, I ain't buying it (pun intended.)

p.s. I have no doubts that Elvis knew very well that his famed black belt was just a belt that was black and was used to keep his karate robe from exposing his bursting mid section. It made for cool pics, but that was about it.

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Barry C
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posted 09-15-2007 01:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C Click Here to Email Barry C Edit/Delete Message
Well, look at Jim Matte, for example. He really had to do some work for his degree, and at the time, the distance ed guru, Dr. john Bear, said CPU looked okay. Little did he (Jim) know that in all reality, nobody read his dissertation. Others caught in the scam really believed "credit for life experience" was real at the graduate level. (If school's offer such credit, it's minimal, maybe three credits.)

I know Jim still defends his degree, and I think he believes (maybe not as much as he once did), he earned that degree legitimately. Was he fooled? Probably. Should he have known better? I'll leave that for others to decide.

I think these easy degrees are much like the Nigerian scam letters people keep falling victim to. Why? They want the money (degree) so badly (greed), they miss what should be obvious.

I recently heard from a man in ministry that he "earned" a "PhD." in something, clinical psychology, I think. This guy has a legitimate M.Div. (If you don't know it, those degrees take more credits than some Juris Doctors. ) He told me he "got all A+s" on his papers. (Clue #1.) He never did a dissertation (= bogus PhD - no more clues needed). Other than those of us with knowledge of how these things work, nobody questioned it. I believe he was fooled, and he's as educated as any polygraph examiner (in his discipline).

Don't forget, for years, almost nobody knew these were fake. A lot of people were fooled. You're probably right that many weren't, but I'm not prepared to indict them for that. At this point though, they should all be acting as if those pieces of paper never were created - for all our sakes.

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rnelson
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posted 09-16-2007 11:08 AM Click Here to See the Profile for rnelson Click Here to Email rnelson Edit/Delete Message
stat:
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When did the APA ban phony phd's? While they're at it, they should ban auto theft too.

I was just in downtown Phoenix/Maryvale, where they have special street signs advising that area to be a special red light running enforcement zone. They have apparetntly banned running red lights.

A sure sign of despiration.

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Am I nuts here?

Well, yes. Now that you ask; probably, but that 's another matter.


(nice slow lob down the middle, stat.)


Peace,


r

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stat
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posted 09-16-2007 11:40 AM Click Here to See the Profile for stat Edit/Delete Message
Very nice shot Ray----and from the road no less!

When are you coming down from Brokeback Mountain?----we miss you around here. lol


mono-stat

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rnelson
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posted 09-17-2007 09:56 AM Click Here to See the Profile for rnelson Click Here to Email rnelson Edit/Delete Message
sorry stat, bought no turquois in the southwest

not that there's anything wrong with that...

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-- mono stat --

sounds like a personal problem; can't help with that

r

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stat
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posted 09-17-2007 06:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stat Edit/Delete Message
Ray, fyi;

mono (one) + stat (stand)= one stand


must be the altitude

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rnelson
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posted 09-17-2007 07:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rnelson Click Here to Email rnelson Edit/Delete Message
survey sez???

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stat
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posted 09-17-2007 08:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for stat Edit/Delete Message
You are quite the interrogater. Guilty of strategic profanity-----again. Dangit Ray!

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