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wpd2688
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posted 09-17-2007 01:11 PM Click Here to See the Profile for wpd2688 Click Here to Email wpd2688 Edit/Delete Message
I recently ran a test on an asault suspect. While running the first chart I thought I saw something strange in the subjects breathing. Occasionally I'll get someone trying a deep abdmonal breathing CM. When I have any suspicions that someone is trying to control their breathing I let the air out of the BP cuff and let the chart run for another 30 seconds or so, while I pretend to be writing notes.Usually the thoracic respiration amplitudes increase and the abdominal amplitudes shrink.
This time , however, the thoracic respiration stayed relatively the same and the abdominal respiration amplitudes actually increased, the opposite of what I usually see. When I spoke with the test subject he claimed it was nerves.
The respiration response was consistent throught each chart. There did not appear to be any attempts at responding only to comaprison questions. Hasnyone seen this type of response before? Is it possible that he was actually just nervous?

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Ted Todd
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posted 09-17-2007 01:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Ted Todd Edit/Delete Message
I had one on Saturday. When I called him on it, he claimed to be using his muscles to hold his stomach in becasue he was self conscious about his weight. He went on to tell me that he had just lost 70 lbs. It is a good thing he was already adjusted to loosing because he also lost the job he was seeking!

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Barry C
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posted 09-17-2007 04:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C Click Here to Email Barry C Edit/Delete Message
I'm trying to catch up on reading - and I don't know that I'll make it.

Anyhow, often Ray will offer to post the charts on a secure site if you send them to him - then we can all take a look. How many charts did you run? Did the subject ever seem to habituate to the process? What type of test was it? I find pre-employments are far and away more nervous than criminal tests. Why? I don't know.

Keep in mind the anti sites tell people to maintain breathing consistently whenever the components are attached. Those who aren't doing that for you (during your "note taking" probably haven't read George's entire book.

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rnelson
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posted 09-17-2007 06:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rnelson Click Here to Email rnelson Edit/Delete Message
send 'em.

any electronic, .pdf or graphic format.

I'm 'puter bound for the evening after a week away playing.

r

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wpd2688
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posted 09-18-2007 03:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for wpd2688 Click Here to Email wpd2688 Edit/Delete Message
This guy was was wound prteyy tight throughout the entire testing process.Usually most of my test sujects relax after a while. This guy didn't
The test format was an Arther specific accusation test. I ran 4 charts. The first was an SAT, the second a stim chart, and the last two SAT's. I noticed the weird breathing on the first chart, and started recording after the bp pressure was released on the second chart.
In the 2nd chart approximately 5 seconds after I released the bp cuff he strats moving and pnemo readings are pretty erratic for 20 seconds, then he returns to what appears to be normal, with an amplitude increase in the abdominal pneumos.
In chart 3 the amplitude remains fairly regular for approximately 45 seconds after i relase the bp cuff. He moves around for approximately 10 seconds then appears to return to normal with an increase in abdominal pnemo amplitude.

In chart 4 the amplitude remains fairly regular for about 5 seconds after I release the cuff, he moves around for about 5 seconds, then the abdominal amplitude returns to what appears to be normal, with an amplitude increase.

Ray, if you get me an e-mail I'll send you the charts.

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Barry C
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posted 09-18-2007 04:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C Click Here to Email Barry C Edit/Delete Message
Click on that profile icon on Ray's post(the one with the face and question mark), and you'll see it.

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