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Buster
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posted 02-25-2008 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buster   Click Here to Email Buster     Edit/Delete Message
Him and Cleve passed Patsy Ramsey. Thats the first time I heard Ed's name-- was attached to that case.

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thenolieguy4u
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posted 02-25-2008 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thenolieguy4u   Click Here to Email thenolieguy4u     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Guys,

I know Ed Gelb, and he has strict rules for letting the media view polygraph, and I can assure you that the test was over with at the time those pictures were taken.

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rnelson
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posted 02-25-2008 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rnelson   Click Here to Email rnelson     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks nolie,

So, does that mean their will be no video at WH.com?

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stat
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posted 02-25-2008 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stat   Click Here to Email stat     Edit/Delete Message
That's good to know----I guess.

On test volumes, I have never ran more than 622 tests in a calender year----90% being sex offender tests. If I had to maintain numbers like that for many years, I'd be dead, crazy, or divorced. That's 3 and 4 tests per day, 6 and 7 days a week on most weeks---with several concellations to boot. In the days before EPPA, sure ----examiners ran 1000-1200 tests per year and still took vacations.

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Taylor
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posted 02-25-2008 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taylor   Click Here to Email Taylor     Edit/Delete Message
That is good to know about the photos being taken AFTER the exam. However, if you knew the pictures were going to be used wouldn't you try to assure the pnuemo tubes didn't look sloppy? Just a thought as I realize he wasn't the one taking the photo.

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Poly761
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posted 02-26-2008 01:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poly761   Click Here to Email Poly761     Edit/Delete Message
"How much work did Ed do to earn the degree? Again, I don't know. Maybe he did what he should have, I - and nobody else I know - haven't asked."

It sounds as though it's well past the time Gelb should have answered all questions concerning the questionable PhD. APA, at a minimum should have asked questions and resolved Gelb's issue long ago.

The man is playing with his own credibility if he hasn't been directly involved in resolving this issue. Not a good game for anyone, especially a polygraph examiner!

Regarding the exam photo. I prefer to place the EDA & BP cuff on different arms. In my opinion the lower pneumo should be placed lower than observed. Isn't the center of the abdominal area the best position for an optimal abdominal tracing? I also prefer to have the examinee seated in front of me where I can observe them, head to toe. Again, personal preference based on my experience.

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stat
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posted 02-26-2008 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stat   Click Here to Email stat     Edit/Delete Message
George has written the following, and he is getting involved in the case ;

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"Regular readers of AntiPolygraph.org may recall that last year, Ed Gelb performed a polygraph test on Wendy Ellis, a former prostitute who claimed that U.S. Senator David Vitter (R-LA) had been a customer. That polygraph examination was also paid for by a pornographer: Larry Flynt, the publisher of Hustler magazine."

"Comparing the polygraph report that Gelb prepared on Ellis with those he prepared on Sinclair, one notes a glaring difference: for the Ellis polygraph report, he scored the charts both manually and with a computerized scoring algorithm:"

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"The resultant polygrams were traditionally (manually) scored and then scored by computer using an algorithm developed by the Applied Physics Laboratory of Johns Hopkins University. This algorithm has been validated by the National Security Agency and is presently being utilized by the Department of Defense. The results of this scoring are included in this report. The scoring indicates that the examination was "NDI" (no deception indicated) with a probability of deception of less than .01 when Ellis answered the relevant questions as indicated above."

"The results of the computerized examination indicate that Wendy Ellis was telling the truth when she answered the relevant questions."

"During the post test interview, Ellis was advised of the results of the examination."

"But Gelb only mentions the results of his hand-scoring of the charts in his two reports for Sinclair (concerning his sex and drug allegations, respectively). Why did Gelb fail to include computerized scoring results for Sinclair's polygraph examinations? Gelb's omission raises the question of whether there was a discrepancy between his hand scoring and the decision rendered by the computer."

"In addition, note that while Ellis was advised of the test results at the conclusion, it appears that Gelb failed to advise Sinclair that he had failed during the post-test interview."
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Taylor
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posted 02-26-2008 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taylor   Click Here to Email Taylor     Edit/Delete Message
Poly761. There have been side discussions about the same content as what you mentioned. I also place the GSR's on the other hand/arm (as long as there is one)not the same as the Cardio. Ray has mentioned there is no research to state there is a problem with this process. I just personally like one aparatus on each arm/hand and that was the way I was trained. I also set it up so the Cardio is on the Left arm. I too want the subject facing me as I am watching every movement. Some have stated that Gelb could have a video on the subject....I personally trust my line site better than a video.

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Taylor
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posted 02-26-2008 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taylor   Click Here to Email Taylor     Edit/Delete Message
ON ANTI:
Started by George W. Maschke | Post by George W. Maschke
WhiteHouse.com has announced that it will post neither its video of Ed Gelb's polygraph examination of Larry Sinclair, nor Gordon Barland's review of the results:

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After the events of yesterday and this morning we will no longer be posting the video of the Polygraph testing or the secondary Polygrapher Expert’s results. To be accused of taking a bribe to suppress this story along with all of the hate mail and messages sent by Larry Sinclair supporters who believe we did something to taint the results has been very disturbing.

No matter what we put up it will never be good enough for his supporters. Mr. Sinclair was also given every opportunity to let us talk to the limousine driver to corroborate his story and he failed to do so. This will be the last post on this matter as this matter needs to be put to bed. We will be going back to regular reporting.

gm: Sadly, WhiteHouse.com's decision to withhold this information can only serve to fuel (with some justification) speculation regarding the true motivations for such a decision and what actually transpired in Gelb's polygraph suite.


NOW MY QUESTION: What did they really expect by paying some low life scumbag money for something he clearly 'made up' and making it a media circus?

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