Has anyone been through the polygraph screening at either agency (Cia/Nsa) in the wake of the Hanssen case? Thanks.

Did you get the job?

I went through the CIA polygraph as a contractor in the wake of the Hanssen case, and I made the mistake of trusting the system.  Big mistake!  My security clearance for the CIA was denied purely on the basis of polygraph results.

I found this especially ironic since I am a military intelligence officer in the reserves.  I was actually called up in support of operations after Sept 11, and was serving in an intelligence position when I received notice of the denial.  When I recently returned from duty, I found that unemployment was the CIA's Memorial Day present for me.

While I plan on appealing this decision, it is especially difficult to do since polygraph records are exempt in their entirely from the Freedom of Information and the Privacy Act.  Essentially, a large portion of the government's records for these decisions CAN NOT EVER BE SEEN by private citizens.  The last time I heard about something this insane was in a Kafka book.

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This is Norman again.  Question regarding your poly experience - how long did it take to find out that you didn't pass the poly?

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George,

Thank you for referring Norman to my statement. I wasn't sure how to include a hyperlink to my statement..


Norman,

George is correct in that as soon as the examiner finished cycling through his questions 3 times, he rose from his chair and completely changed his tone. It was probably a little over an hour into the process, a process which ended 4.5 hours later, all to find out if I had used marijuana once or not. In the end, I was assessed to be a drug (all sorts) abuser and a dealer too (the examiner also made a reference to rape early on ..)

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Hey false +,

I took the NSA poly awhile back.   

Anyway, the bottom line in taking a counter intelligence poly is to NEVER, NEVER, EVER make an admission.  I don't care what they do or say!

After my third test, the idiot picked up her chair, put it right in front of my chair, then starting yelling at me.  I started laughing.  Seriously!  I cracked up.  I thought it was such a joke!   

Believe it or not, they let me be retested!  I failed of course.  I found out later that the retest (which they never intended to let me pass) was simply set up to satisfy the people on the OPS side that really wanted me hired, and wanted me to get another chance.

One of my NSA polyliars retesters, a Mr. Ligenfelter, had the nerve to say that the test is 99% accurate!  He even drew a cheesy pie chart.  "So you gotta get everthing out, so nothing is bugging you."

While he is telling me this I am thinking,  based on an independent, scientific experiment, or are you pulling that one out of your ass?!

It was interesting, because this was a retest.  I had discovered this site and others between the time I first tested, and was gullible.  So I was well informed on their tricks.  One of course being to totally convince the testee of the tests virtual invinciblilty.

The key, though, is MAKE NO ADMISSIONS OF ANY KIND.  If you do, they will use it against you.

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What about in the pre-employ screening test?  What if one (hypothetically) has fairly recently downloaded software/music from one's college network (most likely a felony  -- you'd be suprised how many college students are felons)) and since destroyed it, after realizing doing that sort of thing was really not kosher?  Would it be wise to admit it?  Would the disclosure end eligibility for a position in the NSA or CIA?

What about if one doesn't know whether a background check might turn up someone who will mention it?  Could failing to disclose it likely result in prosecution (I assume it could mean not getting the position)?

Hypothetically speaking, of course.
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