polyfraud,

I don't think anyone could make an educated assessment of your chances of getting hired with either agency based on the limited information you provided; the stated support of the captain who interviewed you seems to be cause for some optimism, but other factors, key among them being the competetion you face for the job, are also involved.

With regard to polygraph screening, polygrapher bias can certainly affect the outcome. But if you properly employ the countermeasures described in Chapter 4 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, you should have little difficulty in producing polygraph charts that the polygrapher will have little choice but to score as "no deception indicated."

Please do share your polygraph experience here afterwards, and, in the meantime, if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to post them here.

In addition, as a Californian, you may be interested in helping to abolish polygraphs from the workplace our state. (I'm a Californian, too, though presently working abroad.) See the California Polygraph Reform Initiative forum for further details.

I would say you got it made "IF" in fact the Captain is on your side.  IF the Captain really wants you then you might try to slide this info onto the polygraph examiner.  In my opinion the examiner makes a decision on whether or not you will pass "before" you take the test.  If you tell him his own boss wants you then that might sway his results in your favor.  I had a friend who passed every aspect of the pre-employment process.  He too was a minority.  Yet they failed him on the Polygraph exam (false positive).  I believe he failed because the examiner kept asking questions about his wishing to be a pilot.  He wanted to be a pilot all his life and went to the Air Force Academy and got his BS degree. But he ended up getting married and that’s not the life for a family man.  At the time of the application he was applying for a helicopter pilot with the ARMY.  I believe the failed him because they knew his true love was flying and not law enforcement.  A week later he passed the polygraph exam for a different police department and now he is a state police officer!

Politics is a dangerous game to play.  When I was 20 years old I knew the Deputy Chief of Police.  I was selected to go to the Academy and dropped out before it started to move to Virginia Beach with my future wife.  It didn't work out so I came back.  A new Chief of Police was hired and I tried to get into the next class.   I was told (through the grapevine) that I didn't get selected because the current Chief openly admits he didn't get along with the Deputy Chief.  My point is playing the political game is a must if you want in but it may also come with some consequences too.  Good Luck.

polyfraud wrote on Apr 11^th, 2001 at 10:13am:

Polyfraud,

Don't wait to clear background. If this Captain is an ally keep him posted.  Tell him about the multiple polys and why is this occuring. If you can contact him, do so, He is brass, and can make things work

Fred F.

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I'm not falling for that, I know that to admit knowing about countermeasures is a sure way of getting failed right there on the spot. I'm not stupid, no poly research has EVER been done by esteemed academic or scientific sources to prove its credibility. It's a government tool used to extract confessions and just another interrogation trick. The downside to this however is that INNOCENT people are being accused of crimes and having their careers and lives ruined. You guys are nothing but criminals in suits when it comes down to it. It's a shame that you are allowed to tinker with people's lives in this fashion. I'm guessing the only reason why widespread banning of polygraphing hasn't occurred yet is because only a small minority of people who are interested in LE or government positions have ever been subjected to it. If more people had to take polygraphs IE. the private sector then I would have no doubt there would be a huge public outcry against it. Most of the American public do not know about the details of the polygraph since it's been banned for usage (thank god) in the private sector.

:Hello Polyfraud,
Polyfraud, I am not "nitpicking".  I am sure that a "college educated" person should be able to discern the difference between being "strapped down" and having a monitoring device applied.

LOL. You guys _are_ comedians on your downtime aren't you? I honestly can't recall the last time I had a "monitoring device applied" for four hours and was for all intents and purposes stuck in an interrogation room and unable to leave my seat throughout. I think that most "reasonable people"-- the legal definition, not the Jay Leno street interviews--would agree such a condition more closely resembles a method of confinement, physical restraint, or, colloquially speaking, being "strapped down."

:Why can't you say it like it is?

Something he picked up from the examiner perhaps?

:By the way most of the polygraphists that I know are "college educated" and some have graduate degrees including Law degrees and Ph.ds.

Law degrees! Excellent. Next time I talk to my physiologist I'll ask her what "law school" she went to. LOL.

:I am simply amazed that you readilly admit that you lied to the polygraphist.

Yes, honest people who are uncomfortable with interrogations because they have done nothing wrong and the mere amazement at being in an _interrogation_  and being treated like criminal suspect sets off every sensor in their body that something is wrong, dreadfully wrong. They come for an interview, and are stuck in an interrogation... geeeeeee. I'd think only sociopaths and camp guards failed to grasp how inherently ridiculous _that_ is.

:When you denied knowing about countermeasures.  We need people like you in law enforcement  Ray.L.

The omnipotence of polygraphists permitted Aldrich Ames to massacre an entire network of agents.

Keep up the good work Ray.

No More Secrets
I read your post and I have no idea of what, if any, point you are trying to make.  Next time you see your physiologist, you will ask her what law school she went to??  Just how often do you see "your physiologist"?  What are you saying?
Get a hold of yourself, take a couple of deep breaths, don't wiggle or giggle don't bite your tongue and get your thoughts in order then do a post that can be understood.
Thanx ???

PS wehat law school did "your Physiologist" go to?