Evan S wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 7:05pm:


Doing so would be no less rational than going through a BI process, which is little more than a popularity contest, in which the applicant's sociopathic skills are evaluated more highly than qualifications or aptitude for the specific job involved. 

quickfix wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2015 at 3:08pm:

There are two distinctly different reasons why a person facing a polygraph test would be interested in learning how to increase his chances of passing:

(1) He is guilty and plans to lie about it, and is afraid that the polygraph might be as effective as the APA claims it is, or 

(2) He is innocent and plans to tell the truth, and is afraid that the polygraph is bullshit.

THIS is Aunty's test -- not whether he is a convicted sex offender, or is applying for a TLA job, or or is on probation/parole, or wants to be a police officer, or is a criminal suspect -- but whether he plans to lie under examination.

Aunty does not like it when she says one thing and is then told that she said something else.

Wandersmann wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 5:03pm:


No one gives a shit what you think.

quickfix wrote on Oct 6^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

Aunty cannot decide which warms her cockles more: hearing her work described as a gem, or making quickfix cry.

Let me tell my story real quick....

I grabbed my step-daughter's rear end, not as a sex act... her, mom told police, police asked me about it, I said that yeah, it happened (I had nothing to hide, I wasn't trying to have sex with her, for goodness sake)... charged with a sex crime - offered a little bit of probation, took it instead of go to trial, but judge freaked out, called me a 'monster', sentenced me to prison - completed treatment (twice), lowest of the lowest 'risk' to re offend, but have to take polys, per standard rules.

Believed the hype, till I heard about this site. Passed every poly since. My worst 'violation' has been using text messages or the internet, both of which had absolutely nothing to do with my supposed 'crime', or add to any 'risk-factors' for anything.

The info on this site has helped me live a normal life without the fear of incarceration for doing so. Not every person charged or convicted of a sexual offense is a monster, or uses the info on this site to circumvent the system in any way that presents a risk or is problematic... 

HOWEVER.... having been around sex offenders, the potential exists for this to happen, imho...  internet use for some offenders could be problematic - contacting minors, looking at porn which could trigger fantasies or a preoccupation with sex or immediate gratification which could lead to re offense... being able to hide their activities from a PO could lead to problems.. they could even hide new crimes or deviant fantasies from their PO or treatment provider. For these types of reasons, I NEVER, EVER share what I know and use with any other person convicted of a sex offense. True pedophiles represent a very minuscule portion of the population of offenders, but the rest of the population who commit offenses do so due to cognitive distortions and such, and never quite rid themselves of these distortions of thinking, leaving themselves at risk for future offenses. The very act of committing violations, in and of itself, is a continuation of these distortions, and is indicative of their lack of good judgement, which displays an increased risk. Furthermore, if these individuals were able to beat polys, it may make them feel brazen enough to engage in even more riskier behaviors, including but not limited to other offenses.

I personally refuse to be responsible for increasing someone's risk to re offend by teaching them to beat polys or telling them about this site, or even remotely hinting that countermeasures even exist, let alone work. Knowledge is power, but can be a dangerous weapon when and if misused or misapplied.

That is my educated two cents.... 

For the record, my ex started dating another man one week after my arrest, and announced her 'new' relationship on Facebook the day of my sentencing a few months later. Obviously, I was set up. BTW, we were married for four years, with absolutely no sign that there was any trouble when this all happened... hit me right out of the blue. In Wisconsin, they criminalize EVERYTHING. 17 year old guy, 18 year old girl? SHE'S A SEX OFFENDER. WISCONSIN - come on vacation, leave on probation, come back on revocation..... our (un)official state motto...

Ex Member wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 5:24pm:



I could see the logic in your argument - to a point. Minors of a certain age cannot reproduce, so from a purely biological or evolutionary standpoint, why would someone/anyone try to initiate sexual contact with them? Considering that humans are the only (known) creatures to partake in sexual activity for the pleasure element, it becomes painfully obvious that minors of a certain age are targeted, for a lack of better terms, for other purposes and reasons. For instance, many offenders considered pedophiles openly admit that they identify with children emotionally. Another common thread is that pedophiles often don't have appropriate sexual outlets... many never having had even basic sexual contact with age appropriate people. Children are easy for them to take advantage of, to manipulate to fulfill their want for sexual fulfilment, to satisfy their pleasure centers, NOT for reproductive purposes - so those predisposed to doing so take advantage of who they can. While the need/want for sex is evolutionary and biological, I believe that this only applies towards females with the capability to reproduce. By nature, anything else is purely psychological/pathological. Case in point - Most child sex offenses are committed against females who either appear to be of reproducing age or are showing signs of maturation (8 - 17 years old), which makes your point nicely... but the other victims of child sex abuse - males of any age, or female children under a certain age, are targeted for the reasons I specified. An innate desire to have sex with kids is not biological, and can't be, as it serves absolutely no evolutionary purpose.


In Northwestern Wisconsin, where I reside, the SOT maintenance polygraph program is not a 24 hour tail. By nature, it cannot be because they ask a limited amount of questions on the poly, usually routine stuff like 'you use any drugs?' or 'have sex with anyone?'... rarely, if ever, do they delve into issues relevant to your criminal history or anything treatment related. To boot, it says in the Department of Corrections administrative code that no one can face revocation proceedings based solely on a 'failed' polygraph, meaning that there has to be other 'evidence' of wrong-doing. Even an accusation of wrong-doing coupled with a 'failed' polygraph is not enough to get a person locked up on a PO hold, let alone face revocation proceedings. Group therapy - mandated whether you have successfully completed treatment in an incarcerated setting or not - consists of you and 9 other 'offenders' sitting in a room with a 'counselor', bitching about how hard it is to be a sex offender, with maybe 15 minutes of treatment-related stuff going on. This is over an hour to two hour period, once a week. Assignments are to be done on your   own time, whenever you feel like it.   

It is hard to be accountable for your behaviors when you can't be held accountable for your behaviors. Polys are a psychological billy club, used to elicit confessions of wrong-doing in the sex offender community. Because of the possible repercussions of not being held accountable for behaviors that may increase risk, I am ok with this.. Yet again, this is why I don't share info with other offenders. If they knew what I knew, or even knew that I knew what I knew...

And for the record, there is no minimization involved in the recounting of my crime. My crime, as it were, would be considered a minor misdemeanor in 48 out of the 50 states. In Wisconsin, the same act is a class C felony, punishable by up to 40 years? I literally grabbed a butt of a post-pubescent minor female,not a stranger to me, and they brought out the whooping stick. No criminal history, mind you, at the age of 35 + when this happened in 2013. They had to bring out the statute book and charge me with something generalized like 'Incest with a Child by a step-parent', for a butt grab? Regardless of the reasoning for the aforementioned butt grab, they went overboard both in their charging and their sentence. When my lawyer and the DA were discussing reducing the charge to 4th-degree sexual assault - a misdemeanor - they legally couldn't do it, because there was no penetration involved or attempted. By Wisconsin law, if they were going to charge me at all, it HAD to be this charge. The reason that the Judge sentenced me to prison time, instead of the agreed upon time served and two years of probation, was because of the 'seriousness of the felony charge'. The DA even said during their statement at sentencing that this was a case of me 'crossing a boundary, and not realizing it'. There was no victim witness statement, because my step-daughter thought it was all B.S.,and to this day is angry at her mother for using her to accomplish her relationship goals.

I don't minimize, but I will call a spade a spade. Wisconsin is also one of a very few states to do bifurcated sentencing, which all the forward thinking states did away with(some 48 of them, mind you).

While polys don't work, in the sense that the science is junk, their intended goal has useful applications in a post-conviction setting.

For the record, my treatment provider knows that I know what I know... and is ok with it. Anyone else would face revocation proceedings for having learned about the truth of polys/countermeasures. In a post conviction setting, I am using this knowledge to assure that I am not subject to scrutiny for a 'failed' polygraph when, in reality, I do nothing that goes toward the potential for increased risk. I have absolutely zero to feel guilty about, and have the right to be safeguarded against false positives.

Consequently, the examiner could ask me if I was the Pope of Antarctica, and I'd 'pass' the question...

Aunty Agony wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 1:22am:


Two things: Judges are not bound by law in wisconsin to honor plea agreements and kudos to the guy not allowing offenders to lie, and thus stay in their cycles. there is the exception, then there is the rule. Cant personally think of any so's over the age of 19 who can say with any authority that sleeping with or sexually touching someone under the age of consent is ok. The rule is that so's in general are psychologically damaged folks who need monitoring until they are proven to be low risk. They are the rule. Persecuted, and teens who sleep with teens, are the exception. Kudos, Persecuted, for using discretion.

That wasn't me. Do not attribute things to me that I did not say, please. I am not trying to separate myself from anything or anyone. Facts and logic alone do that. My reason for sharing my story was to provide background for my statement that while the poly is crap, it has good uses occasionally. My reasoning is very sound, and your objective view on the issue doesn't help, because you have no way of being armed with enough of the facts concerning this particular issue to reach an educated conclusion. That is not a 'diss', that is just the way it is. Do you sit next to sex offenders, listen to their stories, know their distortions and such to the point where you can logically conclude that providing them with a means to further their distortions is safe? The people who commit sex offences do so because their minds are screwed up in some fundamental way. Until they decide to fix that, they are a danger. No ifs, ands or buts. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is the tool needed to fix themselves. By choosing to make decisions that are not good for themselves - i.e., break the rules and risk incarceration, for instance - they are proving that they are still cognitively distorted. The whole of their therapy- and their rules - is based on this premise. You have to practice making the right decisions to continue making the right decisions. To be cognitively distorted, when that is the basis for your sex offense to begin with, is the epitome of being a risk to offend again. Ergo, to give offenders the tools to purposely be cognitively distorted is to allow them to not only prevent themselves from helping themselves, but to put the community at risk. I'm not gonna be responsible for that. Neither should anyone else. Personally, I loathe the system... but I am 100% willing to play dumb to allow others to be safe. My therapist knows this, and we have talked about this in private. Like I said, he knows that I know what I know, and that I choose not to share the information. He also knows why I choose not to share it. I have kids. I don't want someone fantasizing about or touching them. Knowledge is power, like I earlier stated. I am in a position to completely understand both sides of the coin, both as an objective observer, and as someone fully involved in all aspects of what we are discussing. That is why I spoke up in the first place. Cases like mine are few and far between, trust me. Those in therapy, or who have been to prison for sex offenses, go for a reason almost all of the time. The poly needs to be the aforementioned 'billy club' for them, lest they stay in their cycles, and society pays for it. It is an absolutely necessary evil. To boot, most people, let alone people like sex offenders who are cognitively distorted, do not posses the capability to understand completely the lie behind the lie detector. I have seen so many people try to beat the poly with just countermeasures, without having the belief in their heart and soul that the whole thing is a farce. They go in thinking, 'will this work?', and they are still nervous, and they fail - with great legal ramifications - because they don't BELIEVE the truth. You can't teach belief and confidence, and even though these guys don't deserve to get away with  lying because of what that means for their treatment, I also don't want to see them go to jail because of failing a 'test' due to trying to cheat it without having the real tools to do so. So, by telling them about countermeasure or about this site, I'd be either letting them stay sick in the head by perpetuating their distortions, thus putting the community at risk,  or i'd be sending them to the slammer because I can only teach them about the tools, not how to use them or believe in their application.

Sounds like a lose-lose. And you are comfortable with this, on what moral grounds?

(drops microphone, walks away)

Peace out, yo.