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Reply #15 - May 13th, 2015 at 2:53am
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ah but the procedure is being used for DWI offenders already in Texas, so it seems it's too late.

As for me nailing how PCSOT is practiced, you say the sweetest things.  lol

Dan, I don't see where he has a lot of choices here.  The best option he has is impressing the hell out of his provider and PO. 

I have little doubt, what he is withholding is only taking a bad matter and making it worse.  It hasn't been working for him, so here is a crazy idea, try something new. 

I have had some examinees that the total honesty until it hurts method, got the re-test waived; as such they were able to move on.

I see this as my job.  I try to get any information if it's there and help my examinee move on in whatever direction the information takes it.  It's not an easy place to be in, but at least I found a way to survive in spite of some examiners efforts. 

I help people move on to their next year when I can.  At least I don't help people move on to their next inconclusive result.

It seems he can get worse advice from someone who cares a lot less about how he advances in his treatment and program. 

My advice is as sound as it gets in his case.  He put himself into a bad position and now he simply needs to fess up to it and take his ass chewing; which is what I personally believe will happen and is inevitable. 

Lets face it, life is like a shit sandwich, the more bread ya got, the less shit ya have to take, and in the end, we all have to take a bite.
  

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Reply #16 - May 13th, 2015 at 3:54am
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Tristar333 wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 11:59pm:
if I confess to the polygrapher to pass wont I still get violated? dumping they call it... 


I believe the only one who can violate you is a judge. I'd also assume that your therapist's recommendation would carry some weight. In my opinion, any dumping should be done with your therapist and let them decide how to handle the others in the containment triad. Is not admitting bad choices from your own volition a sign of treatment progress? You also have the option to get a lawyer's opinion prior to making any admissions.
  
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Reply #17 - May 13th, 2015 at 1:11pm
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uhg.. you guys are way to smart.. it's just way to hard to fess up.. especially how good I've been doing..
polygraph is only like 90 percent accurate? I might get lucky if I just lie??

odds of violation?

odds of revocation?
  
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Reply #18 - May 13th, 2015 at 1:39pm
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It's way too hard to fess up?

Get over it, then shun those problem behaviors.

As far as getting lucky with the polygraph, that's a poor strategy.

You'll be far better off if you are totally compliant with the terms and conditions of your program.
  
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Reply #19 - May 13th, 2015 at 2:46pm
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bro, on one hand you are doing so well and on the other you are handing out some thinking errors.  Stop vacillating pick where you want to go with your treatment.  Either you want to move forward and take a huge step forward, while impressing the hell out of your therapist with what he or she will see as a huge breakthrough.  Or, you will continue your thinking errors until they think that maybe what you need is some "jail therapy," as I have head it called might be the way to force you into compliance.  Trust me jail therapy is a real thing man, and a PO will use it. 

You may not get revoked, but you will sit in jail and have time to think about it.  You might beat the time, but you won't beat the ride.

The longer you take to dump, the better the chances of revocation go up, so smarten the fuck up, with all due respect. 

As for 90%.....  that is not a realistic number on w multiple issue screening test to be totally honest.  I am not saying anything out of turn there, even the studies bear that out. 

I will say that your chances for passing significantly improve if you dump.  You already have a lot of anxiety about this that will only get worse in the testing room.  It's not the test you would have to beat, it would be you.  You are your own worst enemy.  You want to do well, but when you do go off track, you want to pick and choose what "doing well" is. 

If you are not being complaint with your conditions, you are not doing well.  If you are not being honest about your behaviors and self reporting as you should be, then you are not complaint with the conditions of your probation and therapy.  Therefore, we can conclude, by this reasoning, that you are not doing well or as well as you would hope.  But you can change that in less than 15 minutes of dumping; right now you just choose not to. 

But think about this, the more you don't self report, the more you make the argument in favor of PCSOT.  Because right now you are the poster child of why PCSOT exists.

Sorry, thems the facts.

Now smarten the hell up and do the right thing.  Be the man of good character you say you want to be.  Because right now you are the other guy.  Always the guy looking for a way out, always the guy with an excuse, always the guy failing to step up when stepping up is the hardest thing to do. 

Don't be that guy.

Be the Man

If for nothing else, if you hate polygraph as much as most on this forum do, stop being the poster child for why it is needed.  All you are doing right now is giving someone like me someone to point to and say "see, this is why PCSOT exists." 

Frankly, I shouldn't be helping you at all, your failure is the best advertising in polygraphs favor.  I should be thanking you.  No instead I am trying to sit here and help you see that you are not doing as well as you thought and that you could be doing better.

DO I need to draw you a map?
  

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Reply #20 - Jan 25th, 2016 at 10:04pm
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Well I'm back.. I ended up violated my conditions because I admitted to using.. jail therapy..
   I admitted to using because I had gotten caught red handed but now I am full of regret because I minimized my use and said I was only using a little bit. I was wondering what should I do because my PO sent out a revocation form to the judge for this last violation but the judge gave me one more chance somehow... there are other things I have been hiding to like internet/porn/crossing boarder/using that I have not disclosed, but I know if I do I will go straight to prison.

   Can they double jeopardy, reviolate me for this since it happened before my last violation? I do not plan to mess up this time at all, I know I could do it because I have before for nearly 3 years until I slipped.

  
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Reply #21 - Jan 25th, 2016 at 10:09pm
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Well I'm back.. I ended up violated my conditions because I admitted to using.. jail therapy..
   I admitted to using because I had gotten caught red handed but now I am full of regret because I minimized my use and said I was only using a little bit. I was wondering what should I do because my PO sent out a revocation form to the judge for this last violation but the judge gave me one more chance somehow... there are other things I have been hiding to like internet/porn/crossing boarder/using that I have not disclosed, but I know if I do now I will go straight to prison.

   Can they double jeopardy, re-violate, me for this since it happened before my last violation? I DO NOT plan to mess up this time at all, I know I could do it because I have before for nearly 3 years until I slipped.

  do you think the maintenance polygraph will go back to just this last violation?? it would seem irrelevant other wise..
and do you know if they can punish me for violations I had committed before this last violation? I just want a fresh start...
  
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Reply #22 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:21am
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Tristar333,

I am a certified polygraph examiner with a considerable amount of experience dealing with sexual offenders.

If you truly want a fresh start, I suggest the following:

1. Call your PO now -- and I mean RIGHT NOW.

2. Confess all of your violations in detail.

3. Accept the consequences, resolve to change your ways, and move forward.

Yes, it may sound extreme to you, buy only then can you start anew.

Contact me if you want further advice. See the signature block below for details.

Good luck,
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Reply #23 - Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:07pm
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anyone have an answer to my question besides super Nazi here.. cause I'm not going to admit to something and get f'ed if it doesn't even matter now.. I'm doing good now and that's all that should matter.

   how hard is it to just answer a question
  
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Reply #24 - Jan 27th, 2016 at 6:22pm
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Behold the criminal mind...

People, these shitbirds are primarily all about one thing:  ENTITLEMENT.

Prove us wrong, Tristar333.

Explain your plight in full. How are you in jeopardy of being victimized?  We're all ears.

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Reply #25 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 5:37am
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Tristar333,

I don't think anyone can predict what time periods your next polygraph will encompass, it all depends on what issues arise I would think.

Your comment about Dan was out of line; his advice to you was sincere and prudent in that coming clean is one way to show your PO that you are doing things right. You also have the option of discussing this with an attorney prior to making any admissions if you feel coming clean will put you into real jeopardy.
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Reply #26 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 2:10pm
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Ya well advice is one thing and help is another.. I only asked a question and he seems to be skirting around it like all the rest of the dipshits who think they know everything and say they are their to help but actually get off to us failing.

this skirting around indicates I may have something figured out that dan here doesn't want to admit.

Its nice too that you Arkhangelsk can judge me and my comments but when a professional senior user.. someone who should not be biased and should be professional refers to us all as 'shitbirds' (which I don't necessarily disagree) you can't even notice it or maybe you believe is acceptable, which is very discouraging.. This is what I have to deal with everyday.. bullies of the system all because I made a bad mistake. but I am not a bad person and you guys making all these precontemplative and blatant assumptions is hurtful especially when all I wanted was some help.
  
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Reply #27 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 2:15pm
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oh yeah! and I do actually appreciate your guys' feedback and comments.. even if you don't give a shit..
  
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Reply #28 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 2:34pm
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TriStar333, let me take a wild guess about your self perception...

You're really a good guy who made one mistake, then got jammed up in the draconian CJ system.

Am I right?
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Reply #29 - Jan 28th, 2016 at 5:14pm
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Tristar333,
Enough of the victim posture. I never judged you. My point is that coming clean is the best way to relieve you of this burden and move forward with your life. Note that I also indicated that you have the option to discuss this with a lawyer if you think coming clean may be a legal risk for you.

Regarding the timeframe encompassing your next polygraph, it seems logical that it would cover the time since your previous maintenance polygraph. You may be able to ascertain this by talking to others who have been in the program longer.

Aunty's Law will not allow us to advocate using countermeasures to hide information detrimental to your recovery. Coming clean is like lancing a boil, it allows the infection to ooze and heal.

I wish you good luck in your recovery friend.


  
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