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May 11th, 2015 at 8:58pm
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   How far back does a polygraph go? say for instance I took my first maintenance.. Would it be focused on my behavior since my last conviction? since my last polygraph? since I started treatment? In the past year? past six months?
   Also If I were to fail that maintenance(probably will I used porn and drugs a few times.. I know dumb) will the next maintenance go back since that last failed test or double jeopardize me and keep going back from the start of treatment or from the start of my probation?
   I would think it would be periodically.. can someone please help me out with any experience they have with it? also I live in MN dunno if all procedures are different..
  
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Reply #1 - May 11th, 2015 at 10:14pm
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1st, STOP DOING DUMB SHIT!!!!!

2nd, If you were in texas, you'd be taking that same test till you passed; so the idea that it sounds like they let it slide for six months to a year, you're lucky.

3rd, if the treatment provider and PO has let go of the last test, this test will likely cover the period of time from your last test to time of test.

4th, if your PO or treatment provider wanted to be ball busters, they could make you take a monitoring test, coving sexual re-offense.  If they do this, theoretically they can go back to start of probation or parole to time of test.

Lastly, and with all due respect; STOP DOING STUPID SHIT AND WORK YOUR DAMN PROGRAM.

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Reply #2 - May 12th, 2015 at 12:31am
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Thanks for advice.. have you experience with any of the test? also are you in texas?
 
     I found this at: http://www.tasanet.com/knowledgeCenterDetails.aspx?docTypeID=1&docCatID=50&docID...

   It describes tests used for sex offenders: The two primary types of examinations used in PCSOT are the sexual history polygraph examination (SHPE) and the maintenance polygraph. The maintenance examination is used to assess the offender's compliance with treatment and supervision over a limited period of time (usually about 6 months).

   it sucks when you screw up and learn your lesson only to be punished in the long run... knowing that I actually still have a chance gives me incentive, if they were to keep going back to the time when I violated I would never admit it and keep failing and failing until I went to prison, which seems counter productive to me... They don't do monitoring tests here but.. specific issue, history and maintenance.

   If anyone has anymore info to add will be appreciated:
any stories of their tests and questions on them..


  
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Reply #3 - May 12th, 2015 at 1:44am
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Tristar,

I think Irish gave you good advice. While one can argue the utility of PCSOT, the utility of treatment is without question. I am disheartened when I see some posters here with the goal of passing the polygraph coupled with a disregard for the treatment required to help them make more sane choices in life.

I am not privy to the consequences which may result if you were to come clean on your bad choices. However, I would think that bringing them up and taking it on the chin would show better progress in treatment than being caught as the result of a stressed polygraph.
  
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Reply #4 - May 12th, 2015 at 2:39am
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He should consider himself lucky he is not in Texas
  

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Reply #5 - May 12th, 2015 at 12:15pm
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Tristar, definitely stop doing bad stuff and work your program!! That being said, polygraphs exams are far from perfect and subject to false positives. If you haven't already download the free book on here,"The Lie behind the Lie Detector" and educate yourself. But most important again, just abide by your conditions and work your recovery. Dont give them a reason.
  
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Reply #6 - May 12th, 2015 at 3:05pm
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  I really appreciate the advice and all but the answers to my question seem avoided, like the rest of the posts on here..
   Irish- your answers seem vague and dodging, you keep talking about texas and how bad it is even when I've grabbed data proving polys only goes back to the past 6 months, only!! which makes me very unlucky because texas sounds like a cake walk..
      you also avoided my question about being in texas and having any experience at all with the poly.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY KNOW ANY OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE ASKED FROM THE BEGGINING? ALSO SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCES ALONG WITH THE EXACT QUESTIONS THEY HAVE ASKED YOU..ALSO HOW FAR BACK DID THEY GO?!!
  
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Reply #7 - May 12th, 2015 at 3:09pm
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Sorry didn't see that post.  I am anything but vague usually.  Sorry if that is how I came across.  Give me a min
  

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Reply #8 - May 12th, 2015 at 3:28pm
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Tristar333 wrote on May 12th, 2015 at 12:31am:
Thanks for advice.. have you experience with any of the test? also are you in texas?
 
     I found this at: http://www.tasanet.com/knowledgeCenterDetails.aspx?docTypeID=1&docCatID=50&docID...

   It describes tests used for sex offenders: The two primary types of examinations used in PCSOT are the sexual history polygraph examination (SHPE) and the maintenance polygraph. The maintenance examination is used to assess the offender's compliance with treatment and supervision over a limited period of time (usually about 6 months).

   it sucks when you screw up and learn your lesson only to be punished in the long run... knowing that I actually still have a chance gives me incentive, if they were to keep going back to the time when I violated I would never admit it and keep failing and failing until I went to prison, which seems counter productive to me... They don't do monitoring tests here but.. specific issue, history and maintenance.

   If anyone has anymore info to add will be appreciated:
any stories of their tests and questions on them..





I have a great deal of experience in all aspects of PCSOT testing.

Actually, The State of Texas you want to look at JPCOT guidelines or APA guidelines

To keep it simple, in Texas, you are looking at four different types of test.

Instant Offense

Maintenance

Monitoring

Sexual History

All have specific timelines and subject matter.

Time frame of a test can be the start of your potation or since your last test in regard to Maint or Mont tests.  Some counties like Tarrant make you take a test twice a year and switch off between Maint and Mont.  Other counties do once a year or at officer or therapist discretion if more is needed. 

The best thing I can tell ya, be complaint with your conditions.  Be active and participate in group.  Work your program with the therapist.

As far as polygraph goes, I know where I am so telling you not to play with the examiner is like telling my dog not to eat the pizza when I put the box on the floor in front of him.  You're going to try. 

Just be ready to face the music if you get caught.  Messing with the test will not make you any friends anywhere in the continuum 

Not sure if this was more helpful, but if you look at what we are all trying to tell you, it's all helpful in one way or another.  Take what you know will be of use to you and consider the rest at least
  

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Reply #9 - May 12th, 2015 at 11:02pm
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YES!! it all has been very helpful.. so if I fail this polygraph... the next one will be since that last poly? is that how yours works?
   because it's absolutely hopeless for me if they keep going back to start of probation everytime I get a maintenance, cause I will never admit anything and just keep failing them until I get sent...
   I know its different everywhere but idk if the APA set standard limitation on time frames or what because like I said before seems a little counter productive and even kind of double jeopardy like...
   I've been clean and sober for 4 years not counting 2 relapses and viewed porn a few times as well... I thought my crime was not wrong because she was my girlfriend of 15 and I was 18 so I understand my actions were all fucking soooo dumb, and I plan on not fucking up anymore...
  
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Reply #10 - May 12th, 2015 at 11:13pm
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I just want to know about maintenance and if it keeps going back to the last maintenance ie... since your last poly have you____,.. or if its always: since you stared probation have you____,..

In my county we only get history and maintenance..

all I have to do is pass one maintenance and i'm done done
  
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Reply #11 - May 12th, 2015 at 11:48pm
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Tristar, how they do it in texas, they will keep covering since the start of your probation to test until you pass one.  I don't know how they do it there.

What I usually tell people is, just let it go it can't be all that bad.  Take the ass chewing, because that is probably what you will get unless you been re offending; yea, then you're going to prison. 

But if all you are holding on to is a few beers and punching the clown to some adult porn, that is just silliness.  Moreover, if you keep holding onto it and keep failing tests, your therapist might be able to dismiss you unsuccessfully from treatment; and that is 100 times way more serious than a few beers and punching the clown to Bettie Page (if ya know what I mean) 

I suggest you get over it, man up and unburden yourself from the weight you are choosing to carry around so you can start fresh. 

Even in texas, unless your PO or provider totally hates you, I haven't seen people revoked for a few beers and some adult porn on the first passed test.  The longer you hold it in though, the worse it will be when you finally let it out.  Seriously man.

So why aren't you disclosing this to your examiner? is it that you just don't like the guy?  I used to get a lot of confessions because the examinee didn't like the guy that was testing them before me
  

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Reply #12 - May 12th, 2015 at 11:59pm
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your a polygrapher? if they keep going back to the start of probation then theirs no point to stay good.. i know im not now.. you just gave a sex offender reason to keep reoffending thanks..

if I confess to the polygrapher to pass wont I still get violated? dumping they call it...
  
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Reply #13 - May 13th, 2015 at 12:29am
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Look, I say dump and move on. 

It works wonders when you're not carrying all that weight into the testing room, your mind is on nothing then, whereas before it was on something. 

Ok, you had a few beers.... Alright, you punched the clown to some adult porn.  You want to impress your treatment provider? Dump, come clean, then tell him you feel better after coming clean; that way he knows you been carrying this around (though I bet he already suspects)

The only person you are hurting or fooling right now is you.  Dump it, go into the next test, clear it, then never have to deal with that time frame again.  Boom, fresh start, clean slate. 

Seriously, is carrying this around worth the stress you are clearly putting yourself under?  All that stress weighs down the heart.  That is a muscle ya know.  what happens when you over tax a muscle? The muscle pulls and gets hurt.  What do you think happens when that muscle pulls? 

See, you been looking at even this string wrong.  Today, right now, can be a new start for you.... A fresh start.... A clean slate.

If you don't like the examiners, tell the therapist and then go into that polygraph room fresh and renewed with the satisfaction that you didn't give him the power.

If that is what it takes, because the most important thing, right now, at this moment, is you make that breakthrough.  You make the break toward emotional relief.  That break belongs to you and whomever you share that with and no one else. 

If you don't want to give the examiner the satisfaction, give the dump to someone you do want to allow to have the credit for the break though.

I don't know the particulars of your case, but if its a few beers and some adult porn, I think you'll be ok
  

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Reply #14 - May 13th, 2015 at 2:17am
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the fighting Irish has handily capsulated the gist of  PSCOT-style "polygraph science" as it is currently practiced.

Another expression of the same tried-and-true formula goes like this: "The truth shall set you free."

Except that's not always the case.

According to the APA's own stats, the best-case average odds for multiple-issue polygraphs are virtually identical to those of Russian roulette.

My understanding is that Dr. Richardson thinks the actual probabilities for true outcomes in PCSOT exams are far more risky than that.

Sex offenders are a reviled underclass. It's hard to imagine the general public tolerating such a high risk procedure for itself -- one that's mandated, no less -- should the tables be turned



  
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