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Doug Williams Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 284 Joined: Feb 15^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: How can we get polygraphs banned for employment Reply #15 - May 12^th, 2014 at 10:25pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Doug Williams wrote on May 7^th, 2014 at 6:58pm: This is what I have been advocating for almost forty years! I have always said that one of the best ways to stop the use of the polygraph is to sue the hell out of the polygraph thugs who abuse people with it. Here is one attorney, Mr. Gene Iredale, who just chalked up a BIG W for the victims who have been abused by the practitioners of this insidious Orwellian instrument of torture incorrectly referred to as a "lie detector". Polygraph operators, read it and weep! Polygraph victims, read it and rejoice! http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/05/07/4103242/dea-settles-suit-alleging-governme... The lawsuit against the DEA for illegally administering polygraph examinations in direct violation of a federal law, the Employee Polygraph Protection Act, points out two things that I think merit much more scrutiny. The first and most important is that this lawsuit pulls back the curtain and exposes the terribly intrusive and abusive tactics employed by polygraph operators – something I have been railing against since my testimony in congress in support of the EPPA in 1985. The unconscionable actions of these polygraph operators are the very reason I have said that the use of this insidious Orwellian instrument of torture, aka the “lie detector” should be banned completely! Secondly, let's consider the case where federal employees were clearly violating a federal law – administering polygraph examinations in a deliberate and flagrant violation of the Employee Polygraph Protection Act! There is no indication that anyone in Criminal Division Public Integrity Section of the DOJ – or anyone from the DOJ - did anything to investigate the criminal activity committed by federal employees. These federal polygraph operators were engaged in criminal activity and obviously violated the federal law, but there is no indication that any investigation was conducted, no search warrants were issued, and no equipment or records were seized - nor were there any charges filed. I wonder how many other federal polygraph operators have (and are still) engaged in this very same criminal activity, both on duty and off! Where is the Criminal Division Public Integrity Section of the DOJ, and what, if anything, are they doing to investigate this ongoing criminal activity by these public officials? What did the Inspector General of the DEA do? Did anyone in authority do any investigation? Is there going to be any prosecution for the criminal acts committed by these federal polygraph operators?

	I have been fighting the thugs and charlatans in the polygraph industry for forty years. I tell about my crusade against the insidious Orwellian polygraph industry in my book FALSE CONFESSIONS - THE TRUE STORY OF DOUG WILLIAMS' CRUSADE AGAINST THE ORWELLIAN POLYGRAPH INDUSTRY. Please visit my website POLYGRAPH.COM and follow me on TWITTER @DougWilliams_PG Doug Williams
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pailryder Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 441 Joined: Jun 5^th, 2006	Re: How can we get polygraphs banned for employment Reply #16 - May 13^th, 2014 at 12:59pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Doug Williams wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 10:25pm: Is there going to be any prosecution for the criminal acts committed by these federal polygraph operators? Of course, I'm not a lawyer, but last I heard EPPA violations are civil not criminal violations.

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Doug Williams Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 284 Joined: Feb 15^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: How can we get polygraphs banned for employment Reply #17 - May 13^th, 2014 at 2:01pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	pailryder wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 12:59pm: Doug Williams wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 10:25pm: Is there going to be any prosecution for the criminal acts committed by these federal polygraph operators? Of course, I'm not a lawyer, but last I heard EPPA violations are civil not criminal violations. Public officials can be fined, and even jailed for violating federal regulations. These federal polygraph operators are public officials and they should be held to account for willfully, and deliberately violating a federal statute!

	I have been fighting the thugs and charlatans in the polygraph industry for forty years. I tell about my crusade against the insidious Orwellian polygraph industry in my book FALSE CONFESSIONS - THE TRUE STORY OF DOUG WILLIAMS' CRUSADE AGAINST THE ORWELLIAN POLYGRAPH INDUSTRY. Please visit my website POLYGRAPH.COM and follow me on TWITTER @DougWilliams_PG Doug Williams
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1st4th5thand6th User Offline Posts: 28 Joined: Sep 13^th, 2014	Re: How can we get polygraphs banned for employment Reply #18 - Sep 27^th, 2014 at 4:53pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Doug Williams wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 2:01pm: pailryder wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 12:59pm: Doug Williams wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 10:25pm: Is there going to be any prosecution for the criminal acts committed by these federal polygraph operators? Of course, I'm not a lawyer, but last I heard EPPA violations are civil not criminal violations. Public officials can be fined, and even jailed for violating federal regulations. These federal polygraph operators are public officials and they should be held to account for willfully, and deliberately violating a federal statute! Doug, along these lines.(and in your personal opinion)..can individuals employed by the federal government, who as a condition of that employment, swear an oath of office to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States...be prosecuted for violating their oath? Example, if Snowden swears an oath to not divulge confidential information and does so - he's violated his oath and is considered a traitor by the United States...and can be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. What happens when federal employees violate their oath??? Specifically, what happens when federal letter agency polygraphers, their bosses, and their bosses, bosses, who take this oath and then violate it (daily) by exempting themselves from it during the course of a polygraph interview and/or violate/ignore the constitutional rights of the candidates they are "interviewing" during the interview... .. Using the lame excuse that candidates "volunteered" via a signed a waiver ...does not grant a waiver to any federal employee of his oath... Nor does it grant them latitude to piss all over their candidates rights.... What is the opinion of you and this board regarding this?


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6220 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: How can we get polygraphs banned for employment Reply #19 - Sep 27^th, 2014 at 5:17pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	1st4th5thand6th wrote on Sep 27^th, 2014 at 4:53pm: Doug, along these lines.(and in your personal opinion)..can individuals employed by the federal government,who as a condition of that employment, swear an oath of office to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States...be prosecuted for violating their oath? I don't think that failure to uphold and defend the constitution is a crime under the United States Code. Nor should it be. It's overly vague. Quote: Example, if Snowdenswears an oath to not divulge confidential information and does so - he's violated his oath and is considered a traitor by the United States...and can be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Snowden didn't swear an oath not to divulge confidential information. His oath was to support and defend the constitution, not government secrets. He did, as others with security clearances do, sign an agreement not to disclose classified information without authorization. Quote: What happens when federal employees violate their oath??? Typically, nothing. Quote: Specifically, what happens when federal letter agency polygraphers, their bosses, and their bosses, bosses,who take this oath and then violate it (daily) by exempting themselves from it during the course of a polygraph interview and/or violate/ignore the constitutional rights of the candidates they are "interviewing"during the interview... .. Using the lame excuse that candidates "volunteered" via a signed a waiver ...does not grant a waiver to any federal employee of his oath... Nor does it grant them latitude to piss all over their candidates rights.... What is the opinion of you and this board regarding this? The courts have not held polygraph screening to be unconstitutional. While I think that those who choose to conduct polygraph screening have made a poor ethical choice, I think they are generally well-meaning, and I wouldn't accuse them of violating their oaths to support and defend the constitution. That said, I think that polygraph screening is fundamentally unfair and inconsistent with humanist values.

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