So during WWII if our ambassador lied to the Nazi's to protect innocent Jews, you hold his actions, lies if you prefer, to be unethical?

Lying is not always bad or wrong, it can be the moral ethical thing to do in some circumstances.

I do not deceive my clients.

While it would be great if we could expect professionalism and honesty from people working in an official capacity, that just isn't the case. Investigators and prosecutors and polygraph examiners are all just humans with the same faults and prejudices as the rest of the population. In any profession there are going to be some bad apples mixed in with the ethical people. In AA I learned to accept the things I can't change, and I think I have the wisdom to know that I don't have much control over the attitudes or habits of other people.

The thing that we should all be able to agree on is that the polygraph exam is not a reliable way to tell if someone is lying. I think quickfix is so hateful towards me because she thinks that I went into a polygraph exam and lied about molesting children and got away with it. For her to make the kind of comments she made proves that she knows that the polygraph is unreliable and can be beaten with counter measures. I don't take her hate personally - maybe she is just describing her worst nightmare, the thing she goes to work every day trying to stop. I have never given any personal details about my crime, so she just filled in the gaps with whatever was on her mind.

Bottom line, both the victims of the polygraph exam and the examiners all know that it's unreliable.

pailryder wrote on Mar 30^th, 2011 at 7:26pm:

I have yet to see a polygraph exam that was free of deception by the examiner. If you are the exception, then I salute you.

stefano

The Guilty Knowledge Test, Directed Lie Comparison Question Test and Relevant/Irrelevant Test are all techniques that do not rely or depend on examiner deception.

Thank you for the calm and thoughtful discussion.

stefano

I did not say that I currently use the R/I technique.  I simple cite it as one of several techniques that does not depend on examiner deception. 

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Quickfix, you may have just been dethroned.

pailryder, stefano and chuckles: great conversation. All have opinions and all speak well of their views.
quickfix and yourallsheep: Unreal. You need to converse intellectually, not with the obvious hate you are displaying. I am sure their are bad polygraph examiners out there as there are "the bad" in everything profession. You can not hold all to the actions of "the bad". I believe in the polygraph and have seen it used effectively evry time. The polygraph is a great investigative tool. As far as being deceptive; a person lying about their crime is often cornered by the deceptive interviewer. I know LE who have interviewed a person for a couple of hours and longer and have finally had the suspect confess. It is not a simple, "yes I did it." It is an admission with supportng facts. Often the facts are only known by the suspect or someone tod by the suspect, the victis and the LE. LE doesn't rely on confession alone. There have been many people who  confess or admit to a crime only to have LE disprove it and send them on their way. LE deal with the facts but LE is subject to mistakes also. I have seen Polyygraphs were the person showed to be lying and the examiner called the examinee on the lie. The examinee continued to lie and fnally gave up the act and admitted. The examinee then went on to relay the details of the crime. There iis no doubt about the confession. The examiner held true to the test result and ould not relent. I am sure tehre are tests that are not so obvious and this is where a  skilled inteviewer is needed. Deception is part of it. It is about solving the crime and getting resolution for the victims.

Everyone has their opinion. That's the way it should.
LE have their hands full trying to keep up  with investigating crimes.
Polygraph examiners are an investigative tool who have proven their worth many times over.
Chuckles: Not knowing you, if what you say is true; then, I can not explain it or even try to and I would not want to be in your position. My view to your situation is; if you did it, dont do it again. If you didn't do it, you were wronged somewhere.
The polygraph is only a part of the investigation and not the final word.