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Eraines New User Offline Posts: 7 Joined: Aug 8^th, 2009	Took a poly and inconclusive = fail and have some questions. Oct 5^th, 2009 at 12:46am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Long story short, I went in after reading and re-reading TLBTLD, even though I know the machine can't detect lies (of course some examiners will tell you quite the opposite) I was still quite nervous and could feel my Fight or Flight reaction during certain questions.. I was being 100% honest and forthcoming with everything that came to mind (Just stupid little things) Basically I failed. I have been rescheduled for early this week, my question is.. Why am I still feeling this "Fight or Flight" reaction when I think abut being questioned again? I have nothing to hide.. I have ALWAYS been a nervous person, just wound tight as my GF says. Is there a way to control this reaction? Relavant\Irrelevant questions.. The only CM for these are breathing? I've read Chapter 3 many many times.. and this is what I am getting.. please correct if wrong. To keep a pretty solid reaction across the board during both types of questioning? My issue is.. I get hyped up on the relevant ones... Does anyone have any pointers or something that helped them remain calm? I think I'm psyching myself out too much... I can tell you I felt like a total douche when I left. Thank you


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Eraines New User Offline Posts: 7 Joined: Aug 8^th, 2009	Re: Took a poly and inconclusive = fail and have some questions. Reply #1 - Oct 6^th, 2009 at 5:23pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	another thing read about R\I is they are looking for more reaction from the R ?'s than the I ?'s. is that true?


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6223 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Took a poly and inconclusive = fail and have some questions. Reply #2 - Oct 6^th, 2009 at 6:13pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Eraines wrote on Oct 6^th, 2009 at 5:23pm: another thing read about R\I is they are looking for more reaction from the R ?'s than the I ?'s. is that true? No, it's not true. In the relevant/irrelevant technique (at least as used by the US federal government), the irrelevant questions are not scored. Instead, the polygraph operator looks for "consistent, specific, and significant" reactions to any particular relevant question. The two federal agencies that rely most strongly on the R/I technique are the CIA and NSA. With these agencies, it is common for examinees to be told they are "having problems," to be badgered for admissions, and to be brought back for one or more follow-up sessions. With the exception of the pneumo channel, it is very difficult to suppress physiological reactions on the polygraph. However, you might want to review the behavioral countermeasures outlined in Chapter 4 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector before your next polygraph session.

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Polypro Pauline New User Offline Posts: 15 Joined: Sep 23^rd, 2009	Re: Took a poly and inconclusive = fail and have some questions. Reply #3 - Oct 7^th, 2009 at 2:59am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	George W. Maschke wrote on Oct 6^th, 2009 at 6:13pm: With the exception of the pneumo channel, it is very difficult to suppress physiological reactions on the polygraph. However, you might want to review the behavioral countermeasures outlined in Chapter 4 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector before your next polygraph session. Wow and OMG. That's one of the most intelligent things I've ever read you say on this web board, and very true. It is almost impossible to suppress reactions on the polygraph and that is why typical countermeasures don't work. When a polygrapher sees strong reactions on a relevant question, despite any amplified response you might be able to produce on a comparison question, it is a red flag. Then all the polygrapher has to do is look at the now widely known signs of countermeasures on the comparisons. Not easy to explain to someone who isn't a polygrapher, but trust me it's not that hard.


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6223 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Took a poly and inconclusive = fail and have some questions. Reply #4 - Oct 7^th, 2009 at 3:55am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Polypro Pauline wrote on Oct 7^th, 2009 at 2:59am: Not easy to explain to someone who isn't a polygrapher, but trust me it's not that hard. Try me.

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T.M. Cullen God Member Offline Posts: 858 Location: Hawaii Joined: Dec 5^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Took a poly and inconclusive = fail and have some questions. Reply #5 - Oct 7^th, 2009 at 6:58pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: Wow and OMG. That's one of the most intelligent things I've ever read you say on this web board, and very true. It is almost impossible to suppress reactions on the polygraph and that is why typical countermeasures don't work. The problem with that logic is that employing CM do not even entail suppressing physiological reactions, though many people, including polygraph operators, mistakenly think they do. TC

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