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LearnedExaminee New User Offline Posts: 2 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2009	Pre-Employment Polygraph Admissions Mar 24^th, 2009 at 6:36pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Hello everyone. First, I would like to say that this is a great site and I have learned so much about polygraphs in the short time that I have been reading it. However, that is also my problem. Unfortunately, now that I know quite a bit about polygraphs, I am not sure that I will be able to be interrogated and produce normal results in terms of behavioral characteristics and the other metrics identified in the ebook on this site. In fact, I am confident that I would be unintentionally deploying countermeasures. I fear that I should never have researched it. My question is, should I inform the examiner that I have researched the polygraph exam or should I just hope to appear oblivious to the game? Thanks!


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6220 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Pre-Employment Polygraph Admissions Reply #1 - Mar 24^th, 2009 at 6:51pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	If you mention that you've researched polygraphy (and visited sites like AntiPolygraph.org and read The Lie Behind the Lie Detector), then you run the risk of being arbitrarily accused of deception and/or countermeasure use by a miffed and suspicious polygraph operator. In 2000, I asked the then president of the American Polygraph Association, Skip Webb, how polygraphers are to handle informed subjects who admit their knowledge of polygraphy. He declined to provide a straightforward answer: https://antipolygraph.org/read.shtml#informed-subjects and to this day, the American Polygraph Association has not promulgated any policy on how its members are to handle informed subjects. Under the circumstances, if I were in your shoes, I would keep my research and understanding of polygraphy under my hat.

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LearnedExaminee New User Offline Posts: 2 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2009	Re: Pre-Employment Polygraph Admissions Reply #2 - Mar 24^th, 2009 at 7:01pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Wow. Those were the most unpleasant missives I have ever read. Anyways, I understand what you are saying. I will keep my knowledge to myself. I would avoid the polygraph if I could, but every potential employer that has accepted me requires a polygraph examination. I will post my experience with the PE when the time comes.


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6220 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Pre-Employment Polygraph Admissions Reply #3 - Mar 24^th, 2009 at 7:04pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I wish you all the best, and if you have any further questions, feel free to ask.

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Lethe Very Senior User Offline Posts: 233 Joined: Apr 15^th, 2007	Re: Pre-Employment Polygraph Admissions Reply #4 - Apr 9^th, 2009 at 3:59am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	LearnedExaminee wrote on Mar 24^th, 2009 at 6:36pm: Unfortunately, now that I know quite a bit about polygraphs, I am not sure that I will be able to be interrogated and produce normal results in terms of behavioral characteristics and the other metrics identified in the ebook on this site. Yeah, you're basically screwed. Flip a coin: heads you pass, tails you fail. Of course, if you were a stupid sheep, eager to be lead around by your superiors unquestioningly, then you'd have a much better chance at passing. Too bad for you that you enjoy informing yourself about matters that are important to you and thinking for yourself. And too bad for all of us that these important positions in law enforcement and national security are being filled by more idiots than would otherwise be the case. Have a nice day.

	Is former APA President Skip Webb evil or just stupid? Is former APA President Ed Gelb an idiot or does the polygraph just not work? Did you know that polygrapher Sackett doesn't care about detecting deception to relevant questions?
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