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FBI Pre-employment Appeal/Retest
Jan 13th, 2009 at 1:33am
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I failed my pre-emplyment polygraph with the FBI a few years ago and am planning on writing a letter of appeal to receive another. I know that there have been some board members who have given advice on what to include in the letter (in particular Bill Crider). Does anybody have any advice what to include? Thanks in advance.
  
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Re: FBI Pre-employment Appeal/Retest
Reply #1 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 4:40am
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It is pretty well known that the FBI hardly ever, if ever at all, passes applicants on a polygraph retest.

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Reply #2 - Jan 14th, 2009 at 4:59am
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Dear johmarkey,

You have a better chance of being struck by lightning than of being found acceptable on an FBI polygraph retest when you were found "to not be within acceptable parameters."

It is and always has been a numbers game.

The FBI will probably get over 1,000,000 on line applications for 3,000 positions this year.  Yes, that breaks down to 0.3% of all applicants will be accepted.  They can afford to flush down the tubes anyone they want and not care about how it affects them.  That is like filling a football stadium with 50,000 people and picking 125 people for a job.  Do you really think they want to deal with you?

Until they cannot get enough applicants and employees, they will continue to push through the same flawed policies that keep them in power.  They have it and you don't.

They just do not care about the damage that occurs because of the flawed polygraph.  It does not affect them.  Collateral damage happens.  As long as it does not happen to them, it is the price of doing business.

Sorry to sound negative but it is the truth.

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Re: FBI Pre-employment Appeal/Retest
Reply #3 - Feb 17th, 2009 at 4:49am
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In My case, I wrote that I was able to determine the "control" and "relevant" questions due to my research and the fear of failure caused the reaction. I believe this to be an accurate assesment of my failure to this day.

there is no difference in physical reaction from someone lying, a teenager about to ask a girl on a date or someone stepping up to give a speech. sweaty palms, increased pulse, altered breathing pattern........

Just write a respectful letter with your best assesment of why you think you failed. As long as you didn't admit to something because you actually were lying you probably have a shot. as Fair Chance wrote, I have never heard of anyone on this board passing a retest though in the 4+ yrs I have been on it.
  
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Re: FBI Pre-employment Appeal/Retest
Reply #4 - Feb 17th, 2009 at 6:38am
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there is no difference in physical reaction from someone lying, a teenager about to ask a girl on a date or someone stepping up to give a speech. sweaty palms, increased pulse, altered breathing pattern........


And one could reasonably be expected to "react" to a given question, when they have been repeatedly accused of lying on it DESPITE ANSWERING TRUTHFULLY.

They call it "fight of flight" for a reason.  Of course your nerves are going to reacted "defensively" in such a situation/

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