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John85 Guest	So, if I admit to nothing, even if it's true, I pass? Jan 1^st, 2009 at 8:34am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I'm thinking about applying to the NSA. I heard they asked you goofy questions about if you masturbate thinking about your aunt or something, so I googled "NSA hiring process" and got to this site. I read here that the polygraphers from the big federal agencies think of an admission as a 'trophy'. If I just say not to everything, and don't buckle when they start interrogating me, am I liker to pass?


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6218 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: So, if I admit to nothing, even if it's true, I pass? Reply #1 - Jan 1^st, 2009 at 9:04am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	While you're more likely to pass if you don't make any but the most innocuous of admissions, making no admissions is no guarantee that you will pass. Polygraphy has no scientific basis and is inherently biased against the truthful. Many truthful applicants for positions of public trust are falsely accused of deception and wrongly disqualified from employment based on polygraph chart readings alone, without any disqualifying admission having been made. For more on polygraph screening, see The Lie Behind the Lie Detector (1 mb PDF). For more on the NSA hiring process, see the pseudonymous Ralph J. Perro's article, "Interviewing With an Intelligence Agency (or, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Fort Meade)": http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/nsa-interview.pdf

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John85 Guest	Re: So, if I admit to nothing, even if it's true, I pass? Reply #2 - Jan 1^st, 2009 at 9:19am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	ah, that's exactly what I was looking for. Thank you! Ironically, before becoming interesting in the NSA process and this site, I was under the impression that polygraphs were accurate.


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nopolycop Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 383 Joined: Oct 20^th, 2007	Re: So, if I admit to nothing, even if it's true, I pass? Reply #3 - Jan 1^st, 2009 at 9:50pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: ah, that's exactly what I was looking for. Thank you! Ironically, before becoming interesting in the NSA process and this site, I was under the impression that polygraphs were accurate. The polygraph itself is accurate. It accurately records heart rate, blood pressure, respiration rate and sweating. It is the analysis of these recordings, and corrolating them with the questions asked, and the responses given, that is the problem. Too many variables to be scientifically reliable. Good luck, don't admit to anything you wouldn't want your grandma to know about you.

	"Although the degree of reliability of polygraph evidence may depend upon a variety of identifiable factors, there is simply no way to know in a particular case whether a polygraph examiner's Conclusion is accurate, because certain doubts and uncertainties plague even the best polygraph exams." (Justice Clarence Thomas writing in United States v. Scheffer, 523 U.S. 303, 118 S.Ct. 1261, 140 L.Ed.2d 413, 1998.)
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T.M. Cullen God Member Offline Posts: 858 Location: Hawaii Joined: Dec 5^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: So, if I admit to nothing, even if it's true, I pass? Reply #4 - Jan 2^nd, 2009 at 6:57am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I was polygraphed there in 2000. I went in all gullible and wanted to bend over backwards cooperate. That is NOT the way you want to be. You want to go in suspicious of the process, but NOT confrontational. And never, ever criticize the polygraph to the examiner/interrogator. They would be less offended if you called their grandma and old whore! You might also want to read some of the posts on this board made by polygraph operators to see what they are pompous asses they really are. "Sancho Panza", "Mr. Sackett" and "TheNoLieGuy4U" would be a good place to start. You need to know the "mindset" you would be up against. TC

	"There is no direct and unequivocal connection between lying and these physiological states of arousal...(referring to polygraph)." Dr. Phil Zimbardo, Phd, Standford University
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