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Ronald New User Offline Posts: 9 Location: Modesto, CA Joined: Apr 11^th, 2008 Gender:	Not finding the help I need here Apr 12^th, 2008 at 2:01am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Wow, well needless to say I'm disappointed. I've asked questions on different countermeasures and why they didn't work on my last 'test', and the effect of drugs on the test, etc., and really haven't found any worthwhile responses that actually address the issues I've put forth. Seems like everyone here has an agenda they push whenever any topic comes up. They're attempting to give unasked-for advice on matters the OP may have thought of already. And that does the OP no good at all. I sense a lot of fear and anger on this board, and not a lot of help. 'Help' means trusting the asker enough to assume he knows what he's talking about and his questions aren't misguided. If you assume the person you're "helping" doesn't know what he's doing and needs to be steered in a completely different direction, well, you ain't helping. Guess I'm on my own!


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T.M. Cullen God Member Offline Posts: 858 Location: Hawaii Joined: Dec 5^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Not finding the help I need here Reply #1 - Apr 12^th, 2008 at 7:32am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Ronald, I am beginning to suspect you are a polygrapher. TC

	"There is no direct and unequivocal connection between lying and these physiological states of arousal...(referring to polygraph)." Dr. Phil Zimbardo, Phd, Standford University
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Twoblock God Member Offline Posts: 732 Location: AR. Joined: Oct 15^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: Not finding the help I need here Reply #2 - Apr 12^th, 2008 at 11:24am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	TC I think you're right. Now watch for abrasive snippets to follow.


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pailryder Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 441 Joined: Jun 5^th, 2006	Re: Not finding the help I need here Reply #3 - Apr 12^th, 2008 at 12:11pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Mr Cullen I doubt Ronald is an actual polygraph examiner, more likely he is Mr Grogan. shamelessly self promoting yet again.

	No good social purpose can be served by inventing ways of beating the lie detector or deceiving polygraphers. David Thoreson Lykken
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nopolycop Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 383 Joined: Oct 20^th, 2007	Re: Not finding the help I need here Reply #4 - Apr 12^th, 2008 at 2:22pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Ronald wrote on Apr 12^th, 2008 at 2:01am: Guess I'm on my own! That just about sums it up.

	"Although the degree of reliability of polygraph evidence may depend upon a variety of identifiable factors, there is simply no way to know in a particular case whether a polygraph examiner's Conclusion is accurate, because certain doubts and uncertainties plague even the best polygraph exams." (Justice Clarence Thomas writing in United States v. Scheffer, 523 U.S. 303, 118 S.Ct. 1261, 140 L.Ed.2d 413, 1998.)
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sackett Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 347 Joined: Jan 31^st, 2008	Re: Not finding the help I need here Reply #5 - Apr 12^th, 2008 at 6:32pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Ronald, you have to remember this board is filled with angry false positive "victims" and if you fail to rise to their level of anger and attack on the polygraph as a whole, YOU will be villified as either a polygrapher secretly trying to cause problems or some other imposter. All because you're not frothing at the mouth. So much for getting honest answers, huh?! Sackett


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T.M. Cullen God Member Offline Posts: 858 Location: Hawaii Joined: Dec 5^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Not finding the help I need here Reply #6 - Apr 12^th, 2008 at 6:39pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: I think you're right. Now watch for abrasive snippets to follow. I think it's patrick coffey (aka "TNLG4U). Note the back to back, long winded, incoherent posts. Little use of paragraphs. TC

	"There is no direct and unequivocal connection between lying and these physiological states of arousal...(referring to polygraph)." Dr. Phil Zimbardo, Phd, Standford University
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notguilty1 Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 300 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2008	Re: Not finding the help I need here Reply #7 - Apr 12^th, 2008 at 8:46pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	sackett wrote on Apr 12^th, 2008 at 6:32pm: Ronald, you have to remember this board is filled with angry false positive "victims" and if you fail to rise to their level of anger and attack on the polygraph as a whole, YOU will be villified as either a polygrapher secretly trying to cause problems or some other imposter. All because you're not frothing at the mouth. So much for getting honest answers, huh?! Sackett Sackett Nice to see you back here again I missed your ingnorant self serving comments. I must say though you are consistent ........... I just hope that some day you too will be the victim of a false positive. I know you don't or better, cannot allow yourself to belive that it happens all the time. But... I does and, if the time came that you too would be a victim of it you will see. You give me the chance to repeat the facts. Polygraph tests DO NOT DETECT LIES !!!! OR DECEPTION IF YOU LIKE.
	« Last Edit: Apr 13^th, 2008 at 3:22am by notguilty1 »

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pailryder Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 441 Joined: Jun 5^th, 2006	Re: Not finding the help I need here Reply #8 - Apr 13^th, 2008 at 12:04am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	or Mr Williams

	No good social purpose can be served by inventing ways of beating the lie detector or deceiving polygraphers. David Thoreson Lykken
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