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Wonder_Woman Senior User Offline The magic lasso of truth Posts: 69 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: Polygraph analysis questions Reply #15 - Oct 2^nd, 2007 at 12:47am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Wise up, RU 2Block in disguise?


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Wiseup New User Offline Posts: 2 Joined: Oct 1^st, 2007	Re: Polygraph analysis questions Reply #16 - Oct 2^nd, 2007 at 1:50pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Paradiddle wrote on Oct 1^st, 2007 at 7:51pm: Lovely, another member of the villiage people ----sans the talent. Soooooooo....wiseup, what be your analysis? Care to comment on the topic of polygraph, or are you just stopping by for the food? No food here just BS folks are serving up. Your plate sounds full... Are you the butler?


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Wonder_Woman Senior User Offline The magic lasso of truth Posts: 69 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: Polygraph analysis questions Reply #17 - Oct 2^nd, 2007 at 2:07pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Hello 2block. I knew it was you. So why the name change. ...deleted cheap shot at 2block...
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Paradiddle Very Senior User Offline Posts: 158 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: Polygraph analysis questions Reply #18 - Oct 2^nd, 2007 at 2:09pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Deleted ad hom attack on wiseup's manhood. Sorry administrator!

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Administrator Administrator Offline Posts: 343 Joined: Sep 28^th, 2000	Re: Polygraph analysis questions Reply #19 - Oct 2^nd, 2007 at 2:12pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Further posts to this message thread should substantively address the topic(s) raised by the initial poster.

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tbld New User Offline "Homo praesumitur bonus donec probetur malus" Posts: 23 Joined: Sep 26^th, 2007	Re: Polygraph analysis questions Reply #20 - Oct 4^th, 2007 at 12:44pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: Sooo, now you're making it personal because your psychobabble BS isnt getting you anywhere... Whats with all the "Boss, Chief, Bucko, " BS. Its seriously not even slightly funny. Just because your colleagues are wetting their pants doesnt make you comic of the year. You're still just a deluded clown spewing out BS syllables. If you're an example of the best & brightest in the APA circus, then there is hope for everyone. Bi now Jerry. I'm done wit you. Dont forget yr reading homework. Good point what is with all this chief bucko stuff i remember doin and saying things like that in 8th grade... you know polys rely solely on someone being naive about how they work...


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Paradiddle Very Senior User Offline Posts: 158 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: Polygraph analysis questions Reply #21 - Oct 4^th, 2007 at 1:16pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	tbld wrote on Oct 4^th, 2007 at 12:44pm: Quote: Sooo, now you're making it personal because your psychobabble BS isnt getting you anywhere... Whats with all the "Boss, Chief, Bucko, " BS. Its seriously not even slightly funny. Just because your colleagues are wetting their pants doesnt make you comic of the year. You're still just a deluded clown spewing out BS syllables. If you're an example of the best & brightest in the APA circus, then there is hope for everyone. Bi now Jerry. I'm done wit you. Dont forget yr reading homework. Good point what is with all this chief bucko stuff i remember doin and saying things like that in 8th grade... you know polys rely solely on someone being naive about how they work... If that were true, than why are hundreds if not several thousand polygraph examiners required to be polygraphed every year? Despite the mustard-covered horse shit you read around here, no one knows more about polygraph than polygraph examiners----yet we are tested, with knowledge of every aspect of construct. Could someone please answer my point without ad hom or kick-standing the point with distortion?

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Sergeant1107 God Member Offline Posts: 730 Location: Connecticut, USA Joined: May 21^st, 2005 Gender:	Re: Polygraph analysis questions Reply #22 - Oct 4^th, 2007 at 1:29pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Paradiddle wrote on Oct 4^th, 2007 at 1:16pm: If that were true, than why are hundreds if not several thousand polygraph examiners required to be polygraphed every year? Despite the mustard-covered horse shit you read around here, no one knows more about polygraph than polygraph examiners----yet we are tested, with knowledge of every aspect of construct. Could someone please answer my point without ad hom or kick-standing the point with distortion? You mentioned this in another thread and I thought I addressed it. It is completely irrelevant how many polygraph examiners are required to take polygraph tests. What would be relevant is how accurate those polygraph tests were on the examiners. The only people who could possibly give an answer on that would be the examiners themselves, and only if they lied (successfully) on their polygraph exam and then were willing to admit to that in order to provide proof that the polygraph is inaccurate. It seems doubtful that such a scenario would ever occur.

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Paradiddle Very Senior User Offline Posts: 158 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: Polygraph analysis questions Reply #23 - Oct 4^th, 2007 at 1:42pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Sergeant1107 wrote on Oct 4^th, 2007 at 1:29pm: Paradiddle wrote on Oct 4^th, 2007 at 1:16pm: If that were true, than why are hundreds if not several thousand polygraph examiners required to be polygraphed every year? Despite the mustard-covered horse shit you read around here, no one knows more about polygraph than polygraph examiners----yet we are tested, with knowledge of every aspect of construct. Could someone please answer my point without ad hom or kick-standing the point with distortion? You mentioned this in another thread and I thought I addressed it. It is completely irrelevant how many polygraph examiners are required to take polygraph tests. What would be relevant is how accurate those polygraph tests were on the examiners. The only people who could possibly give an answer on that would be the examiners themselves, and only if they lied (successfully) on their polygraph exam and then were willing to admit to that in order to provide proof that the polygraph is inaccurate. It seems doubtful that such a scenario would ever occur. Yes, I have mentioned it in an earlier thread and Unfortunately I will continue to mention it until someone answers the question without braking for kool aid. You have no more answered/addressed the point than you have merely asked a seperate question-----the kind of circular logic that I have come to master by this site's model. Soooooo, "Sarge", tell me-----why aren't polygraph examiners waived from being tested due to such "ease" of countermeasures and such "knowledge/awareness of construct detriment to accuracy(Lethe's dumb point)"? Can you even answer this one question, or are you going to private message George in a panic to ask for advice as the rest do.

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Sergeant1107 God Member Offline Posts: 730 Location: Connecticut, USA Joined: May 21^st, 2005 Gender:	Re: Polygraph analysis questions Reply #24 - Oct 4^th, 2007 at 1:50pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Paradiddle wrote on Oct 4^th, 2007 at 1:42pm: Yes, I have mentioned it in an earlier thread and Unfortunately I will continue to mention it until someone answers the question without braking for kool aid. You have no more answered/addressed the point than you have merely asked a seperate question-----the kind of circular logic that I have come to master by this site's model. Soooooo, "Sarge", tell me-----why aren't polygraph examiners waived from being tested due to such "ease" of countermeasures? Can you even answer this one question, or are you going to private message George in a panic to ask for advice as the rest do. I don't know that it is true that "thousands" of polygraph examiners are required to be polygraphed, but if it is I have no direct knowledge of why polygraph examiners are not waived from being tested. If you have such knowledge feel free to share it. I did not mention countermeasures, so I am curious as to why you brought them up. I was working on the belief that knowledge of the polygraph and its procedures (something an examiner should certainly have) makes it virtually impossible to "scare" them into believing the polygraph will detect deception. It is that knowledge, not the use of countermeasures, that makes them unsuitable test subjects. I am certain you can see that the number of polygraph examiners that take the test is utterly irrelevant. Without knowing the percentage of test-takers that lied and the percentage of liars that were detected by the polygraph the mere number of people taking the test is useless. If I said five thousand people were polygraphed last week, what possible legitimate conclusion could you draw regarding the accuracy or lack of accuracy of the polygraph?

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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6220 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Polygraph analysis questions Reply #25 - Oct 4^th, 2007 at 1:56pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Paradiddle wrote on Oct 4^th, 2007 at 1:42pm: ...Soooooo, "Sarge", tell me-----why aren't polygraph examiners waived from being tested due to such "ease" of countermeasures and such "knowledge/awareness of construct detriment to accuracy(Lethe's dumb point)"?... Polygraphers who work for agencies that require polygraph screening are themselves required to submit to polygraph screening for the sake of keeping up appearances. How would it look to the rank-and-file if the polygraphers were themselves exempted? But it is unheard of for a polygrapher to flunk a fellow polygrapher. Please forgive the vulgar analogy, but it is one that I have made before, and it is apt: polygraphers polygraphing polygraphers is an exercise in mutual masturbation.

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1904 Ex Member	Re: Polygraph analysis questions Reply #26 - Oct 4^th, 2007 at 2:07pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	[quote author=George W. Maschke link=1190929437/15#25 date=1191506197 But it is unheard of for a polygrapher to flunk a fellow polygrapher. Please forgive the vulgar analogy, but it is one that I have made before, and it is apt: polygraphers polygraphing polygraphers is an exercise in mutual masturbation. [/quote] Oh Migod, That breaks me up. 4 musketeers. 1x IP address. Same room. Wooo hooo, you go boys.


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Paradiddle Very Senior User Offline Posts: 158 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: Polygraph analysis questions Reply #27 - Oct 4^th, 2007 at 2:08pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: Paradiddle wrote on Oct 4^th, 2007 at 1:42pm: ...Soooooo, "Sarge", tell me-----why aren't polygraph examiners waived from being tested due to such "ease" of countermeasures and such "knowledge/awareness of construct detriment to accuracy(Lethe's dumb point)"?... Polygraphers who work for agencies that require polygraph screening are themselves required to submit to polygraph screening for the sake of keeping up appearances. How would it look to the rank-and-file if the polygraphers were themselves exempted? But it is unheard of for a polygrapher to flunk a fellow polygrapher. Please forgive the vulgar analogy, but it is one that I have made before, and it is apt: polygraphers polygraphing polygraphers is an exercise in mutual masturbation. Please site your source for such an accusation. You are essentially accusing the US government polygraph programs and all of its polygraph examiners of high treason, and I suggest you back up such a statement with facts.

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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6220 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Polygraph analysis questions Reply #28 - Oct 4^th, 2007 at 2:26pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Paradiddle wrote on Oct 4^th, 2007 at 2:08pm: Please site your source for such an accusation. You are essentially accusing the US government polygraph programs and all of its polygraph examiners of high treason, and I suggest you back up such a statement with facts. Paradiddle, Perhaps you have a point. It is not entirely unheard of for a polygrapher to flunk a fellow polygrapher: in 2004, the CIA's polygraph division retaliated against retired CIA polygrapher John Sullivan by "flunking" him after he wrote a book that some in the unit found unflattering. But by this time, Sullivan was no longer "part of the team." If you or anyone else can cite any instance of a polygrapher failing to pass a polygraph screening examination, please enlighten us.

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Paradiddle Very Senior User Offline Posts: 158 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2007	Re: Polygraph analysis questions Reply #29 - Oct 4^th, 2007 at 2:38pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	1st and foremost, you assume Mr. Sullivan was truthful on his test, despite the fact that you and all who've read the book know he revealed some things in that book that the agency disliked becoming revealed. I am not calling Mr. Sullivan a liar, but in classic anti-polygraph form, you assume the best of all "flunkee's" as it suits your needs. As an examiner, I do not make such assumptions truthful or deceptive. It would appear that you and minions are quit quick to coddle those that merely state that they were truthful and failed, based on your (and all human) ability to detect sincerety from a few paragraphs. You hear music in farts George.

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