Nonombre,
To get this response I must have really struck a nerve, I wonder what your F3 responses would have been had you been hooked up. Most likely deemed deceptive of course. Now to dissect your posts. You always give me such great and wonderful things to work with.
Quote: #1. George-e attempted countermeasures, and was caught. LAPD even TOLD him he was caught. Perhaps he was not caught by the first department, but he was clearly caught by LAPD.
He was accused of using countermeasures, not proved and not shaken. And asked to come back for a retest. In your own words, a candidate is never asked back if caught using countermeasures. Nice try but not substantiated. He beat the system and the system default is always the countermeasure charge.
Quote: #2. I know this simple fact goes against the mantra you all like to sing, but facts are facts...
A fact has proven truth and is reliable in its scope, and maintains its value time and again. Something the polygraph cannot do !! You polygraphers may have changed your questioning techniques to remove control/relevant techniques to make it harder for the examinee to figure out what is happening and identify them. But the process and the interrogation techniques remain the same. Defeating the polygraph only requires disbelief, and practice at relaxing, and its the greatest fear you polygraphers have. Once the fear is gone, no adrenal reactions or F3 responses. I have now proven this many times in over the recent year with those I have tutored. Your R/I questions are of no consequence, as they are of the least reliable of the formats, if the polygraph had any reliability at all. Funny I never see any response when I post the 3 things you have to make your polygraph work. Remove the fear, give the examinee knowlege, and they relax. And no amount of pretest psychological prep work is going to change the result. And now that I have figured out the questioning changes, I will make sure that those I mentor are well prepared.
Quote: #3. HOW DARE YOU accuse LAPD of using polygraph or anything else as a means to "skirt the EEO rules and laws." of that they "use it to eliminate those they deem not fit or matching a model they feel makes a good LAPD officer" What B.S. Can you PROVE THAT??!!! Go ahead prove it. Show me one single case where LAPD or any other police department was caught using polygraph in this manner. Don't even try, because you can't. You and George and the others on this site constantly make these grandeose statements and treat them as if they are facts and the worst part is some people are actually gullible enough to believe you.
This was the easy question, lets see where to begin. Doe the Rampart scandal come to mind, racial profiling by LAPD, planting evidence to convict gang bangers, ( this really doesn't bother me), but it still wrong. Some of the guilty move to personnel after the scandal. Over a 70% denial rate by LAPD on hiring, especially to women and minorities. And lets see, the polygraph is a filter, pure and simple. And lets see if you don't pass the polygraph, you don't get hired. And I know you don't think that the 70% that is denied a job, all had hidden issues that disqualified them. It the perfect management tool to avoid lawsuits from job descrimination. And its also perfect to remove those that just don't fit the LAPD mold to be an officer. Certainly sounds like a filter to me, and because the determination is final. Wahlah, disqualified without anyway to fight it. And let me remind you of one of your notible polygraph experts, Roy Ortiz, recently demoted for changing polygraph results on candidates he deemed not fitting the LAPD model. How much more proof do you need. There is a link for the Roy Ortiz debacle here on the site:
Link:
https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1182068515 You can read all about it. I never post a comment or statement without having the firepower to back it up. But do continue to call on anything you feel I am wrong about. I think I have covered it all.
Regards