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Reply #15 - Nov 25th, 2006 at 7:29pm
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This Dr. Phil lie detector series will continue on Tuesday, 28 November 2006. Details about this show are posted on the Dr. Phil website here:

http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/799

Jeremy Park (his last name is now public information) passed a polygraph examination administered by the Michigan State Police. Polygrapher Howard Swabash, whose polygraph examination Jeremy failed, attempts to explain this away:

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"My test revolved around the penetration and sexual abuse of Kaylee. His test that he took with the Michigan State Police, not to diminish the severity of it, dealt with merely sexual touching, which in the polygraph realm are two different complete tests," Howard says. "When I’ve dealt with sexual offenders, the penetration is a lot more sensitive than the mere sexual touching."


But if Jeremy Park was guilty of child molestation, of which Swabash earlier maintained there was no doubt in his mind, then he was a fortiori guilty of sexual touching. Swabash (who, having previously flunked Jeremy, cannot be considered an unbiased reviewer) scores the Michigan State Police polygraph charts as "inconclusive."

Then Dr. Phil reveals that American Polygraph Association past president "Dr." Ed Gelb, whom AntiPolygraph.org in 2003 unmasked as a phony Ph.D., reviewed the Michigan State Police polygraph charts and scored them as "deceptive." Perhaps Dr. Phil should have "Googled up" Ed Gelb before hiring this charlatan's services.

Jeremy Park's (and consequently, his daughter Kaylee's) last name has been made public by the child's grandmother, Bonii Dyjasek of Berrien Springs, Michigan, who started the following website:

http://www.helpkaylee.com
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Reply #16 - Nov 25th, 2006 at 8:55pm
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If there is probable cause there was some sort of sexual assault on this child why aren't the Michigan (or whatever state is involved) authorities investigating it?  

I've never seen the Dr. Phil show, but the sort of blabber I'm reading about these episodes leads me to conclude this program has the same credibility as the Jerry Springer Show or professional wrestling.   

Perhaps professional wrestling is the most appropriate comparison.  Recall that before Jim McMahon became a wrestling promotor those involved solemnly declared the matches were "real."  McMahon was the first to admit the entire show is staged and planned in advance strictly for entertainment purposes and there is no athletic competition involved.
  
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Reply #17 - Nov 26th, 2006 at 1:02am
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There is one quote from the show that I remember differently.  I don't have a tape of the show to verify it, but as I recall, the child said "THEY touched my pee pee", not "HE touched my pee pee".  That would entirely absolved Jeremy of any wrongdoing considering his new wife's reactions (behaviour) both before and after she knew the polygraph results.

Anyone... did the girl say "HE" or "THEY"?
  
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Reply #18 - Nov 26th, 2006 at 1:53pm
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ecchasta wrote on Nov 26th, 2006 at 1:02am:
Anyone... did the girl say "HE" or "THEY"?


"They."
  

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Reply #19 - Nov 28th, 2006 at 5:16am
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I am SO happy to finally find some voice of reason here.... I watched all 3 shows...  I have been a fan of Dr. Phil's... UNTIL THIS.... and that is when I went to the message boards there and stated my opinion.... I had never done that before... BUT, I was so outraged at the treatment of this young man Jeremy... that I wanted to put my 2 cents in... I thought a lot of other people would feel the same way.... BUT, what I found there was an uneducated witch hunt.... and a bunch of bored housewives who are using their experiences to seek revenge on someone they know nothing about.... and the fact that this was a poor excuse for a show..... exploiting this guy Jeremy... and if it really was about justice... then they would not have aired this until he was indicted and charged with a crime... I personally think Jeremy is innocent... but that Dr. Phil used a bunch of fancy editing to make this guy look guilty.... and further the agenda of the young mother and grandmother to keep Jeremy from his daughter....  If it was about justice.... and in Jeremy was possibly guilty.... after this has been played out so public.... and so many people have made up their mind without any real proof.... then no judge in his right mind will even allow this case in their court... any half way decent defense attorney would have heyday with this...................

I have also been to the Help Kaylee site... and in my opinion I feel that Jeremy is being slandered... and not to mention... there women are getting a lot of attention... and people are offering them money now as well.... 

The first day I saw the Kaylee site... I called the phone numbers they had provided... they wanted people to call in support of Kaylee... I called and supported  Jeremy...

In my opinion this guy is not real smart.... BUT that does NOT make him a child molester.... I DO think he has been exploited in the worst way possible.... 

I am just glad to find, that I am NOT  the only one who feels what Dr. Phil has done, is wrong...

Thank You for letting me share my thoughts...

PS... If you want to read what I have written at the Dr. Phil site... my user name is rlwitham.... 

It really is scary the amount of ignorance that is out there.... Shocked[color=Purple][/color]
  

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Reply #20 - Nov 28th, 2006 at 5:38am
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Meangino... 11/25/06 at 12:55:36]"If there is probable cause there was some sort of sexual assault on this child why aren't the Michigan (or whatever state is involved) authorities investigating it?"

It was investigated... they found NO evidence of sexual abuse.... 

BTW... it was the father, Jeremy who first took his daughter to the hospital because she was having pain on her privates.... they found a 2 centimeter laceration.. (meaning scratch).... On the Dr. Phil show they said... she had a torn labia...
It is that kind of twisting of words that really angers me about all of this....

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Reply #21 - Nov 28th, 2006 at 6:26am
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BTW... after reading the comments on Help Kaylee site.... I am coming to the conclusion, that these people are VERY DANGEROUS... and Dr. Phil has fed the frenzy..... these people don't care about justice... they want revenge for their own lives.... It is of my opinion that Kaylee was most likely not molested.... I think that Krista, Kaylee's 20 year old mother... may have asked some wrong questions the wrong way... and being that at 2 years old.. that is when this all started.... but at 2 years old Kaylee was still in diapers... and Krista could have asked her if someone touched her pee-pee (vagina).... and of course if somebody was changing Kaylee's diaper... then someone would touch her vagina.... how could she explain the difference between a safe touch and a sexual abusive touch..... SHE WAS TWO.... so if she was asked if somebody touched her pee-pee.... the answer would be YES..... and that does not make anyone guilty.....  I do think this is all a misunderstanding because the mother asked a very young child the wrong questions.... with good intentions... but the wrong questions NONE THE LESS....
  

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Reply #22 - Nov 28th, 2006 at 8:39am
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paris wrote on Nov 9th, 2006 at 1:37pm:
Mr. Maschke,

Could you please give your opinion on my post above, specifically, the ramifications of putting on a "guest" and accusing him of a felony, then "bullying" him into a lie detector test, all without a lawyer. 

And would not a polygraph be (even more) inaccurate if someone was under pressure of being on national TV?

This is not how our legal system works in this country!




I am soooooo GLAD you asked this.... I wish this poor guy Jeremy would get an attorney... he is being exploited in a BAD way..... I don't think he is a very smart guy.... and this is a very dangerous position for him to be in.. for many reasons..... If he is NOT guilty... his life is screwed.... and there might be some nut out there who feels they should take the law into their own hands.... not to mention... if he will ever fully recover emotionally from being falsely accused so publicly....

Dr. Phil was negligent by allowing such serious allegations to play out in such a public forum... especially this being such a serious crime.... and prior to this being on Dr. Phil, he had been investigated... and there was found NO EVIDENCE to support sexual abuse.... 

Sorry I got a bit off track there...

Thank You for letting me share my thoughts...

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Reply #23 - Nov 28th, 2006 at 8:55am
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radiogal wrote on Nov 16th, 2006 at 5:28am:
Please forgive the length but I am offering a complete detailed article on what happened in that three part series. 
I, too, was appalled at how Dr. Phil manipulated his show to paint this young father guilty of child molestatioin and to make the young woman appear straight as an arrow. As a former police trainer, actress, and 20 year journalist, let me share with you what I saw. By the way, it may shock some viewers of that three part series even further to know that "Dr." Phil McGraw made a very brief, butt saving, underwhelming announcement after the show's credits ran -- thereby eliminating many of the viewers -- that the young man had taken two polygraph tests paid for by the show budget, not one. And that further, he had passed one of the polygraph tests. Some late watchers taped this very brief backpedaling by McGraw. 
Here is how McGraw set up the young father imho: 
He placed him in an adversial position, head on with him, and screamed at the man, bullied him, and aggressively negated any defense the seemingly slow thinking young man tried to make. He baited the yojng man mercilessly.
In contrast, McGraw positioned the young woman sitting next to him on a small sofa, very cozy with him --  and even when he --gently -- suggested she may have coached the little girl t make this accusation, he soft pedaled all he said. He was clearing the decks for her in the only way he could -- pooh poohing this act away as "nothing serious." Which he did again when she failed the part of the "Poly graph" (more sensationalism for the ratings-- another "cliff hanger") -- that she had already admitted to doing. Clever, clever McGraw.
Coaching a child to say her father touched "my pee pee", is very very serious in a court case. I have seen one mother lose custody of her five year old daughter for doing that. 
McGraw repeatedly showed the film the mother had provided of this three year old crying and saying "He touched my pee pee." Never did the child say "My daddy touched my pee pee." Isn't that a bit strange?  Why
didn't this very intelligent professional questioner pick up on that? No controversy, no show, folks.
Further, McGraw screamed at the audience that polygraphs are 92 percent accurate. We all know that is not true. They are not allowed in court because their rate of INACCURACY is so high they are not considered dependable.
Next, McGraw badgered the young man's new wife, literally bullying her into changing her statement of total support for her husband to "I don't know. He failed the lie detector test so now I don't know what to think."
He even bullied her into saying to the mother, who had a free ride if I ever saw one, that she would not want to endanger the child --as if she did cooperate in that act! McGraw literally put the words into the young pregnant woman's mouth and bullied her into saying them.When her husband tried to defend her, McGraw opened up the box of slurs he had in waiting. He growled that the young woman had an affair and the child was not the young man's! Since the man seemed to be totally aware of this fact and not disturbed by it, why would McGraw air it? Just to discredit the woman. Nothing more. Totally unscrupulous. He may be a showman, as has been said, BUT HE REPRESENTS HIMSELF AS A PROTECTOR OF CHILDREN AND A PROFESSIONAL THERAPIST. HELLO? Why would a protector of children air this awful tape of this helpless child. And then say over and over, "I am all about Kaylee" mentioning even her name on air. Hey, we as journalists have a code NOT to out an underage child. No matter what mom and dad say. 
Worse, McGraw represented his polygraph tests as "completely objective." Hogwash. Even that part of his show was designed to condemn the young father. 
The so called polygraph expert (allegedly in  the narrow field of child molestation( said on air that the father tried to manipulate the exam to win. (After McGrw led the quesiton) That the young man had obviously used the internet to find out how to beat the test. Well, your own site tells how.. . and each thing listed on the Internet was used by THE MOTHER! 
Mommy sat as calm and relaxed as if she was meditating with the Dalai Llama.   Coached and reassured of the results prior to the test????
On the other hand, the father was very emotional and once weeping  while obviously answering the examiner's questions. Mother said nothing -- not a peep_ but "yes' and "no." 
Father's replies were emotional and not just "yes" or "no". Here's the clue: the audience NEVER HEARD THE EXAMINER'S QUESTIONS. The man was set up to look out of control.
This is the most unethical television program I've ever seen. 
If I sound passionate, it's because of what happened to my neighbor and her son recently. 

My neighbor, who is in her 60s, works at Wal-Mart. Her middle aged son, who lost his good job in Dallas when the downsizing, outsourcing hit Texas in full force, moved in with her until he could pull his life together again. He had lost his income and his apartment. Her income and her late husband’s social security payments kept them afloat. Then he found a decent job. They started to pull out of their poverty spiral. Let’s call him John, although that's not his name. 
The elderly mother was at work that night at Wal-Mart. Her son was at home alone. A knock came at the door. He opened it part way. Before he could identify the two men at the door, they pushed into the apartment and attacked him with a baseball bat. As they hit him in the head with the bat, one shouted, “If you ever talk to MY kid, I’ll come back and kill you.” Then they walked out, leaving John seriously injured on the floor.  
Now John is unable to work; his memory is severely limited. His neurologist says the assault damaged his brain. Today, he lost his job. NOW GET THIS. THEY HAD THE WRONG ADDRESS. THEY HAD THE WRONG MAN. THEY EVEN HAD THE WRONG AGE MAN! It seems a younger man of 20, who had been arrested at age 12 for molesting a 2 year old, lived somewhere near by. The police have not caught John’s assailants BUT HE WILL LIVE WITH THE RESULTS OF THEIR ASSAULT FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. 
McGraw, when the young man expressed fear that he might be "mugged on my way out of the studio," led the audience to applaud enthusiastically. Unbelievable.
As a former journalist and producer on radio, television and print, I am appalled with McGraw. He rode the tail coats of Dateline's Predator series to raise his ratings and position himself as a protector of children. Not true.  McGraw is all about McGraw and his growing empire. I've stopped watching him. I will boycott any products ever connected with him.  Radiogal 



WOW..... That is exactly the reason I first went and posted my opinion on the Dr. Phil message board.... I agree 100% with everything you said here.... You hit the nail RIGHT on the head....

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Reply #24 - Nov 28th, 2006 at 12:16pm
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I was just wondering... I heard that a polygraph should not be preformed on a person who is on medication.... or who has ADD or ADHD... Is this true?

I read the Nov 28th show transcripts... and it says Jeremy is bipolar... and he is on Seroquel.... and he stopped it cold turkey for the polygraph test...  that alone in MY opinion would make for a false positive.... also... many people who are bipolar are also found to have ADHD.... making it hard for a person to sit still.... 

Also... people say he took too long answering some questions... a side effect of Seroquel is slow memory... and confusion... as with MOST antidepressants.... 

After reading tomorrows show transcripts... I am even more convinced that he is innocent.... and NOW, I think  Kaylee is being coached.... NONE of this stuff is adding up.... and it is just becoming more of a circus.... and I am afraid that the authorities will cave under the pressure and indict this man, when there has been no evidence..... 

CPS even stated that Kaylee has been OVER INTERVIEWED.... now that alone can become coaching... if the wrong people are doing it.... 

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Reply #25 - Nov 28th, 2006 at 5:17pm
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Dr. Phil: In your opinion, were you observing countermeasure efforts on Jeremy's part? 
 
Howard Swabash: Yes I was. 
 
Dr. Phil: So you think he was attempting to defeat the test? 
 
Howard Swabash: Yes sir. 
 
Dr. Phil (to Jeremy): Is that true? 
 
Jeremy: Huh. I wouldn't... Like I said, I wouldn't have any idea how to do that. 
 
Dr. Phil: Do you have access to a computer? 
 
Jeremy: At the library, yeah. 
 
Dr. Phil: Do you know how to use a computer? 
 
Jeremy: Ah, I know how to get on the e-mail, that's about it. 
 
Dr. Phil: Do you have an e-mail address that is analbastard@[redacted].com? 
 
Jeremy: Yeah, I do


I'm sorry, but this is an incredible lack of logic. Are the Dr. Phil audience this stupid?

OK. "do you have access to a computer" "Yes." Aha! That proves it. He has access to a computer! (So does practically every American....so what?)

"Is your screen name analbastard" "Yes". As they say, what does that have to do with the price of eggs?
So he's guilty of trying to beat the test because he has a nasty email address screen name? (Note that the screen name was not "love_little_girls'_privates".

The logical deduction is loose and misleading.


This demonstrates the gullability of the American public and the power of the media. I am interested what will happen on today's show.
  
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Reply #26 - Nov 29th, 2006 at 5:21pm
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SAW THE SHOW YESTERDAY!

It was amazing.

1. First they discussed why the 2nd lie detector test was opposite from the first. Dr. Phil had the same person on to say why the 2nd test was "not a good test" (taken by the police department) for various reasons, including they asked if jeremey "touched" the child vs. penetrating her. Then they went on about jeremey being on medications, or not, etc. that would effect the results. So, they are talking out of both ends of their mouths: either lie detector tests are valid or they are not.
2. then they tried to hypnotize jeremey, but the Dr. Phil "expert" said he could not hypnotize jeremy because he was not "cooperative". (It is in fact not easy to be hypnotized).
More hocus-pocus. This proves what??
3. The mother/grandmother's case keeps getting rejected by:
the judge, the CPS, the court assigned psychiatrist, the OB/GYN who examined the girl, etc. etc., as NO ONE has found any evidence or believes the child, who is clearly being traumized.

Even Dr. Phil finally had to attack the mother/grandmother as being hysterical, and their own lawyer had to admit he was "perplexed" by lack of evidence.

My only question is: that poor slob, jeremy, continues to come on alone, without a lawyer or some expert to speak in his defense!!
  
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Reply #27 - Nov 29th, 2006 at 7:34pm
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SAW THE SHOW YESTERDAY!

It was amazing.

1. First they discussed why the 2nd lie detector test was opposite from the first. Dr. Phil had the same person on to say why the 2nd test was "not a good test" (taken by the police department) for various reasons, including they asked if jeremey "touched" the child vs. penetrating her. Then they went on about jeremey being on medications, or not, etc. that would effect the results. So, they are talking out of both ends of their mouths: either lie detector tests are valid or they are not.
2. then they tried to hypnotize jeremey, but the Dr. Phil "expert" said he could not hypnotize jeremy because he was not "cooperative". (It is in fact not easy to be hypnotized).
More hocus-pocus. This proves what??
3. The mother/grandmother's case keeps getting rejected by:
the judge, the CPS, the court assigned psychiatrist, the OB/GYN who examined the girl, etc. etc., as NO ONE has found any evidence or believes the child, who is clearly being traumized.

Even Dr. Phil finally had to attack the mother/grandmother as being hysterical, and their own lawyer had to admit he was "perplexed" by lack of evidence.

My only question is: that poor slob, jeremy, continues to come on alone, without a lawyer or some expert to speak in his defense!!



First off...I have a feeling that Jeremy is NOT the sharpest tool in the shed....

and, I thought it was a pretty good show... That hypnosis guy was something else.... He was being uncooperative.... he never answered as to HOW Jeremy was being uncooperative..???... That hypnosis expert was MAKING ME MAD.....

as for the Polygraph expert Swabash.... he is so BIAS... and he sure thinks he knows it all... including... he is 100% sure that Jeremy is a pedophile... What a negligent statement that is..... Unless he has some kind of gift.....

I personally thought it was CLASSIC when Krista was one minute, talking about what happened when she was picketing the court house....
then when Dr. Phil asked her if she was picketing the court, she denied picketing... she said she was only there to pick somebody up....
SHE JUST LIES!!!!
and Dr. Phil bearly called her on it....

This guy Jeremy needs a lawyer.... and QUICK....
there are so many people ready to hang him... over NO EVIDENCE..
It is insane..... somebody at the Kaylee board mentioned getting Bill O'Reilly
involved... and this is just the kind of thing he would get involved with....
and just because a bunch of people are ignorant and onlt see what they want to see.... Jeremy might end up 
in real trouble....

I also hated the fact that they were again, badgering him.... and twisting his words..... 
like when they were talking about, how he drinks on his medication.... 

This guy needs to exercise his right to remain silent... I am just NOT sure he has the ability......
  

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First off...I have a feeling that Jeremy is NOT the sharpest tool in the shed....

and, I thought it was a pretty good show... That hypnosis guy was something else.... He was being uncooperative.... he never answered as to HOW Jeremy was being uncooperative..???... That hypnosis expert was MAKING ME MAD.....

as for the Polygraph expert Swabash.... he is so BIAS... and he sure thinks he knows it all... including... he is 100% sure that Jeremy is a pedophile... What a negligent statement that is..... Unless he has some kind of gift.....

I personally thought it was CLASSIC when Krista was one minute, talking about what happened when she was picketing the court house....
then when Dr. Phil asked her if she was picketing the court, she denied picketing... she said she was only there to pick somebody up....
SHE JUST LIES!!!!
and Dr. Phil bearly called her on it....

This guy Jeremy needs a lawyer.... and QUICK....
there are so many people ready to hang him... over NO EVIDENCE..
It is insane..... somebody at the Kaylee board mentioned getting Bill O'Reilly
involved... and this is just the kind of thing he would get involved with....
and just because a bunch of people are ignorant and onlt see what they want to see.... Jeremy might end up 
in real trouble....

I also hated the fact that they were again, badgering him.... and twisting his words..... 
like when they were talking about, how he drinks on his medication.... 

This guy needs to exercise his right to remain silent... I am just NOT sure he has the ability......

No, Jeremy is not that bright. I think that he is actually innocent, and thinks that this is enough. He has underestimated how people can be manipulated. 

I said from the first show that Jeremy should  have a lawyer with him. This is not a session of pyschotherapy (I thought this was what Dr. Phil does) but an unofficial court trial, without the protection the man should have. It is outrageous Dr. Phil. 
 
There is the Miranda law, so people don't say things under pressure or unitentionally that might increminate them. Jeremy is being slandered, and the wife/grandmother 's behavior are outrageous, to pay for a billboard, distribute flyers, picket, etc. and then have the gaul to say they are not doing anything to enflame the situation? It is sad for jeremy, and the little girl who must be very confused.
  
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Reply #29 - Nov 30th, 2006 at 1:27am
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In regards to this question posted earlier,

"I was just wondering... I heard that a polygraph should not be preformed on a person who is on medication.... or who has ADD or ADHD... Is this true?"

The answer... A person on medication or with ADHA should not be given a polygraph.  And neither should a people who are not on medication and are perfectly normal.

Polygraphs do not detect lies on anyone!  Polygraphy is an interrogation tool just like lying to a suspect is an interrogation tool that occasionally leads to confessions.  Don't be head-faked.
  
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Dr. Phil Lie Detector Series, 6-7 & 28 Nov. 2006

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