Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 3  Send TopicPrint
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) List: LE Depts WITHOUT Polygraph (Read 100960 times)
Random_Man
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 4
Joined: Jul 13th, 2006
List: LE Depts WITHOUT Polygraph
Jul 14th, 2006 at 1:20am
Print Post  
As a new member to the site, it occurs to me that listing the LE Depts that choose not to utilize the polygraph exam as a condition of hiring should be publicized on this site. I seek to start this in the hopes that those depts may see boosted recruiting numbers from aspiring law enforcement candidates who, despite being truthful, had failed their polygraph. While the inevitable feedback from pro-polygraph members would be that this would also give a list of depts to deceptive candidates, my response would be that that's what background investigations are for! 8) Also, if those depts that don't polygraph see boosted recruitment numbers, that may encourage depts that do polygraph who are hurting for applicants to reconsider including the polygraph in their recruitment process.

Any ideas?

  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Random_Man
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 4
Joined: Jul 13th, 2006
Re: List: LE Depts WITHOUT Polygraph
Reply #1 - Jul 14th, 2006 at 1:57am
Print Post  
Responding to myself, it appears I'm not the only one one this board that has attempted such a list - however, depts get added and subtracted piecemeal and unreliably. I will start with the depts that we know for sure that don't. Once we are finished, I would hope a definitive list is compiled and stickied for future reference:

All of MA depts
NYPD
NJ State Police
Minnesota Cities/Towns
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
whoanow
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 2
Joined: Feb 10th, 2006
Re: List: LE Depts WITHOUT Polygraph
Reply #2 - Jul 14th, 2006 at 2:30am
Print Post  
State of Oregon does not poly.   I could be wrong, but with the exception of the FBI I don't think federal LE agencies poly...or randomly poly a cross section of applicants.

  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
woogie
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 19
Joined: Jun 27th, 2006
Re: List: LE Depts WITHOUT Polygraph
Reply #3 - Jul 14th, 2006 at 5:26am
Print Post  
Philadelphia & Pittsburgh departments don't polygraph, and I've heard the Supreme Court Police don't polygraph, either.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Random_Man
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 4
Joined: Jul 13th, 2006
Re: List: LE Depts WITHOUT Polygraph
Reply #4 - Jul 20th, 2006 at 12:57am
Print Post  
Here's the updated list:

Massachusetts Cities/Towns
Minnesota Cities/Towns
Oregon Cities/Towns
New York City PD (NYPD)
City of Philadelphia
City of Pittsburgh
New Jersey State Police
-Supreme Court Police (unconfirmed)

*adding on, most federal agencies do require the polygraph, perhaps not on initial entry but at some point early in their career every federal agent would have to.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
woogie
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 19
Joined: Jun 27th, 2006
Re: List: LE Depts WITHOUT Polygraph
Reply #5 - Jul 20th, 2006 at 5:13am
Print Post  
you can confirm that supreme court police.  a friend just got in last year, never got polygraphed, and a friend is going through the process now, and he also said they dont polygraph.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
blaqmasq
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 1
Joined: Aug 10th, 2006
Re: List: LE Depts WITHOUT Polygraph
Reply #6 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 4:41pm
Print Post  
when i went through Los Angeles PD in 1994, i wasn't poly'd.  but again, it was in 1994.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
George W. Maschke
Global Moderator
*****
Offline


Make-believe science yields
make-believe security.

Posts: 5786
Location: The Hague, The Netherlands
Joined: Sep 29th, 2000
Re: List: LE Depts WITHOUT Polygraph
Reply #7 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 4:55pm
Print Post  
LAPD has required pre-employment polygraph screening for a number of years now; the failure rate is on the order of 50%.
  

George W. Maschke
Tel/SMS: 1-202-810-2105 (Please use Signal Private Messenger or WhatsApp to text or call.)
E-mail/iMessage/FaceTime: maschke@antipolygraph.org
Wire: @ap_org
PGP Public Key: 316A947C
PGP Public Key (offline): 2BF4374B
Personal Statement: "Too Hot of a Potato"
Back to top
IP Logged
 
JB
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 4
Joined: Aug 8th, 2006
Re: List: LE Depts WITHOUT Polygraph
Reply #8 - Aug 20th, 2006 at 8:04am
Print Post  
Random_Man wrote on Jul 20th, 2006 at 12:57am:
Here's the updated list:

Massachusetts Cities/Towns
Minnesota Cities/Towns
Oregon Cities/Towns
New York City PD (NYPD)
City of Philadelphia
City of Pittsburgh
New Jersey State Police
-Supreme Court Police (unconfirmed)

*adding on, most federal agencies do require the polygraph, perhaps not on initial entry but at some point early in their career every federal agent would have to.


I think Pittsburgh does poly. It says they do on there website.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
woogie
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 19
Joined: Jun 27th, 2006
Re: List: LE Depts WITHOUT Polygraph
Reply #9 - Aug 20th, 2006 at 8:02pm
Print Post  
just had a friend hired last year with pittsburgh last year.  the website also said the polygraph is included with the background check, but he said he wasn't polygraphed.  either the department only poly's some applicants, or they don't do it at all.  it could be there for the future, but i'm not 100% sure.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
skeptical
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 3
Joined: Oct 10th, 2006
Gender: Male
Re: List: LE Depts WITHOUT Polygraph
Reply #10 - Oct 10th, 2006 at 7:42pm
Print Post  
ALL Florida agencies' hiring requirements are available via the Florida Dept of Law Enforcement (including polygraph and/or voice stress). Visit http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/CJST/cjap/2005/general/Indexcjap2005.html and then click (for example) law enforcement -> police departments -> requirements -> table 3. Sheriffs offices, state agencies, ports, and schools are also available. Good luck to all.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Dippityshurff
Ex Member


Re: List: LE Depts WITHOUT Polygraph
Reply #11 - Oct 10th, 2006 at 11:36pm
Print Post  
skeptical wrote on Oct 10th, 2006 at 7:42pm:
ALL Florida agencies' hiring requirements are available via the Florida Dept of Law Enforcement (including polygraph and/or voice stress). Visit http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/CJST/cjap/2005/general/Indexcjap2005.html and then click (for example) law enforcement -> police departments -> requirements -> table 3. Sheriffs offices, state agencies, ports, and schools are also available. Good luck to all.






I do believe that all FL agencies either do polygraph or voice stress.  VS is big down there because the NITV is located down that way and have a pretty good sales presence.  Am I correct that all require either one, or the other?  I used to keep up down that way
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
skeptical
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 3
Joined: Oct 10th, 2006
Gender: Male
Re: List: LE Depts WITHOUT Polygraph
Reply #12 - Oct 11th, 2006 at 5:34am
Print Post  
No, you're not correct. That's why I provided the link.

For instance, in Hillsborough County required poly, Palm Beach County requires voice stress analysis, and Highlands County requires neither.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Dippityshurff
Ex Member


Re: List: LE Depts WITHOUT Polygraph
Reply #13 - Oct 13th, 2006 at 12:59am
Print Post  
skeptical wrote on Oct 11th, 2006 at 5:34am:
No, you're not correct. That's why I provided the link.

For instance, in Hillsborough County required poly, Palm Beach County requires voice stress analysis, and Highlands County requires neither.


Well then, that is at least the 2nd mistake I've made today. And I have now seen the link LOL
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
bacon_aint_easy
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 3
Location: las vegas
Joined: Dec 12th, 2006
Gender: Male
Re: List: LE Depts WITHOUT Polygraph
Reply #14 - Dec 22nd, 2006 at 5:50am
Print Post  
Chicago Police dept.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 3 
Send TopicPrint
Bookmarks: del.icio.us Digg Facebook Google Google+ Linked in reddit StumbleUpon Twitter Yahoo