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Nick25 New User Offline Posts: 1 Joined: Apr 10^th, 2006	Taking Valium before the polygraph Apr 10^th, 2006 at 8:45pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Does taking valium beforethe polygraph test help. It is a anxiety medication that is said to help. Anyone try it.


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NSAreject Senior User Offline Posts: 91 Location: Maryland Joined: Apr 22^nd, 2001 Gender:	Re: Taking Valium before the polygraph Reply #1 - Apr 10^th, 2006 at 8:53pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Nick25, Speaking from NSA experience, they will ask you, if you have taken any medication, or alcohol, then they will ask you, under the poly, if you have been truthful, or intend on lying. I did hear of an NSA applicant that drank in the parking lot, before the poly, and was stupid enough, to admit it to the polygrapher. Being in the Intel community, and as a personal choice, I couldn't do that, but you may not have anything to lose - if you do, never admit to it...


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6230 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: Taking Valium before the polygraph Reply #2 - Apr 10^th, 2006 at 9:25pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Nick25, I'm not aware of any scientific studies on the effectiveness of valium as a polygraph countermeasure. However, it seems plausible that a sedative might be helpful in passing a relevant/irrelevant polygraph "test" (the primary technique used by the NSA). According to New York Times columnist William Safire, former CIA director Bill Casey once told him that "using dodges like a sphincter-muscle trick and a Valium pill, he could defeat any polygraph operator." However, it seems unlikely that a sedative alone would enable one to pass the more common "control question test," in which reactions to relevant versus "control" questions are compared. For information on polygraph procedure and countermeasures, see Chapters 3 & 4 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector: http://antipolygraph.org/lie-behind-the-lie-detector.pdf

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Persil_White New User Offline Posts: 17 Joined: Oct 18^th, 2005	Re: Taking Valium before the polygraph Reply #3 - Apr 12^th, 2006 at 3:28pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	For CIA, you're likely to have bloodwork drawn in the morning before your polygraph, and urine sample for drug test after it, so if you medicate, you're likely to be found out. If you deny using drugs in the polygraph exam, and they turn up in your body that day, you can kiss your chances of employment goodbye. Much better to follow this site's advice regarding the poly than to drug yourself.


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AngryinNY New User Offline Posts: 15 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2003	Re: Taking Valium before the polygraph Reply #4 - Apr 15^th, 2006 at 1:25am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I took both Klonipin (a relative of valium) and Inderal during my poly with the polygrapher's knowledge. They didn't care that I was taking them, and the results turned out inconclusive (as they had on previous tests without medication).


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ILGA_RITA New User Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Sep 19^th, 2005	Re: Taking Valium before the polygraph Reply #5 - Apr 19^th, 2006 at 1:49am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I TOOK A MUSCLE RELAXANT CALLED ATIVAN. DID NOT THINK THAT THAT WOULD INTERFERE WITH THE "TRUTH TELLING ABILITY" OF THE POLYGRAPH AND WAS NOT QUESTIONED PRIOR TO MY TEST ABOUT ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I WAS TOLD THAT I FAILED MY POLYGRAPH MISERABLY, BUT ONCE I ACTUALY GOT A COPY OF MY RESULTS FROM CANADIAN GOVERNMENT, MY RESULTS HAD BEEN CHANGED FROM NO DI TO DI. SOME PAGES THEY EVEN FORGOT TO CHANGE! GO FIGURE WITH THIS STUPID THING. CAN'T LOOK AT THE RCMP THE SAME WAY AGAIN KNOWING HOW NAIVE THEY ARE ABOUT THIS THING.


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retcopper Very Senior User Offline Posts: 192 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2005	Re: Taking Valium before the polygraph Reply #6 - Apr 19^th, 2006 at 5:46pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Ilga: Excuse me but who is the naive one here? The RCMP surely didnt tell you to take a relaxant, did they? .


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chubby Guest	Re: Taking Valium before the polygraph Reply #7 - Feb 9^th, 2011 at 6:29am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	go to hell, dont try to come in and convince people that the lie detector is unbeatable because it is!!!


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Sergeant1107 God Member Offline Posts: 730 Location: Connecticut, USA Joined: May 21^st, 2005 Gender:	Re: Taking Valium before the polygraph Reply #8 - Feb 9^th, 2011 at 1:40pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: go to hell, dont try to come in and convince people that the lie detector is unbeatable because it is!!! Surely you have better things to do than tell a poster to go to hell regarding a five-year-old post?

	Lorsque vous utilisez un argumentum ad hominem, tout le monde sait que vous êtes intellectuellement faillite.
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jacks lack Guest	Re: Taking Valium before the polygraph Reply #9 - Nov 4^th, 2012 at 3:58pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	2c here, I have failed polygraphs where I was completely innocent, and passed 2 where I was the sole culprit. For me it was all about the mental side of things and being able to disassociate myself with the process I was going through, almost like dishing out automatic responses while in a semi-meditative state. If the question can be made to have no "meaning" to me to the point where either answer will work, I have my baseline. Has a lot to do with the meaning you are putting behind saying "yes" and "no."


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